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Date:      Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:29:07 +0100
From:      Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.net>
To:        "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:11:38 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:

> --------
> In message <D140BA2A-71F3-4574-9015-675950705AF2@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>, Paul Mather writes:
> >On Dec 4, 2019, at 4:24 AM, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 07:29:57AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> >>> In message <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo+GOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi+Tdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com>, Ed Maste writes:
> >>
> >> Indeed.  For example, on a Raspberry Pi 3B, it takes multiple days to
> >> build world as the build must be done single threaded due to a lack of
> >> RAM (building LLVM is the worst offender here).
> 
> I plugged in a "WD SSD Passport" USB disk, it supports BIO_DELETE and
> performs so much better than a SD card, that swapon(8) is a good idea.
> 
> I will also repeat again:  We ignore the RPi4 at our peril.

 Show me the TRM.
 Please show me a way to do this without looking at linux GPL driver.

> RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in particular
> for educators.

 In what way ?
 Real answer only.

> 
> We may not want to use them ourselves, but we should keep that
> part of the on-ramp open, in particular for young people.
> 
> -- 
> Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
> phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
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