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Date:      Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:15:11 +0100
From:      Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net>
To:        Robert Nordier <rnordier@nordier.com>, cliff@raggedclown.net (Cliff Sarginson)
Cc:        stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 4.2 Boot. Should i report a bug?
Message-ID:  <00121822151100.02118@buffy>
In-Reply-To: <200012181757.eBIHvZU05111@nordier.com>
References:  <200012181757.eBIHvZU05111@nordier.com>

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On Monday 18 December 2000 18:57, Robert Nordier wrote:
> Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Well I have posted a few times, and a few other people have as well,
> > but so far no solution is forthcoming to the following:
> >
> > I have a Tulip Pentium 90 test machine.
> > I have installed bootable versions of various Linux'es and
> > BSD 4.0 on it many times without any problem.
....
>
> Speaking as an author/maintainer of the i386 boot code:
>
> It's probably not a bug: most similar cases have turned out to be
> pilot error.

Well speaking as a user of the i386 boot code it doesn't work on my PC.
>
> Your best course would probably be to get some good help on
> -questions.  

The few suggestion I received on "questions" did not help.

> Incidentally, I don't know why so many people keep
> asking about elementary boot stuff on -stable, but if you're confused
> about an installation issue, -stable is really not the place to go
> looking for answers.

I am not asking about "elementary" boot stuff, I am telling you the boot code
for one reason or another does not boot my PC. I am not in the least bit 
confused.
 
I am a reasonably experienced UNIX person ( more than 20 years, Edition 6,7, 
Early BSD, HP, Bull, Sun, Ultrix, AIX, Linux, Dynix/PTX, DRS/NX, SCO ...). 
You can probably assume I know something about troubleshooting problems :)

I posted to "stable" because I believe it is a bug in stable, not something
that I am misunderstanding - since I have tried every which way. I would not
suggest it is a bug just like that otherwise ! 

To reiterate:
I have a test PC, a very ordinary Tulip P90 with a 4MB IDE disk and 48MB EDO 
Ram
..
I have installed on it without *any* boot problems:

- Several versions of Linux/Lilo
- FBSD 4.0, using the boot manager option
- FBSD 4.2 Using the MBR option
- FBSD 4.2 Using grub
- FBSD booting by selecting the hd kernel from the boot prompt after a CD boot
- OpenBSD
- NetBSD

The only thing that fails is installing 4.2 with the boot manager.
I have installed the boot manager by hand, following the man page 
instructions. That fails as well.

With non DD installation I see nothing at all.
With DD installation I see "Read Error"
Settting the boot flag with fdisk makes no difference.
Adjusting BIOS to address the HD as DOS or OTHER makes no difference.

I find your expression "elementary boot stuff" rather offensive.
I have spent a very long time on this problem. 

> Send in a PR if you wish, though, and I'll look at it.

Well you don't sound that interested.
If it was my code I would show a bit more interest !

I'll live with 4.0. Since 4.2 clearly has bugs in this area I am not going
to risk it on the gateway machine I am configuring.

Cliff


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