Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:48:30 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" <jguojun@gmail.com> To: Mauricio <humo3302@gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Laptop freezes while using Xorg sporadically. Message-ID: <18a0fd32-bc78-4a32-ae41-aec8b980fd44@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAMsoGZ2AybgWsF1KPpnrxFd0pZC6qnzCBtjhedocaUe0w84BtA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAMsoGZ1Y0KwS8Q%2BrRTyGJbTvDPm=zd-tN=uKmrPRYMb3Oo%2B2YA@mail.gmail.com> <9baa7bab-3672-4eb1-9b02-86101e3ee87f@gmx.at> <d0f7bd1a-47b8-4d2e-a509-c2676811844e@gmail.com> <CAMsoGZ2xphB%2B=77amOn5=M8CPeEZ2cAd_WLSBYWqKRww9oBKzQ@mail.gmail.com> <625dd3a5-0b20-4b23-8142-032510c956ce@gmail.com> <CAMsoGZ2AybgWsF1KPpnrxFd0pZC6qnzCBtjhedocaUe0w84BtA@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] You can't just have a Section "ServerLayout" in the xorg.conf file, you need a completed xorg.conf file generated from command X -configure By looking the dmesg, it look like that you have xf86-video-amdgpu driver installed by pkg. AMD video on laptops has more issues in xorg. There are a few separated configurations below you may try: (1) Since the laptop has only 1366x768 resolution, you may not need a GPU driver (for higher resolution display). pkg delete xf86-video-* (replace * with all installed video driver names) pkg delete drm-* (ditto) rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf restart laptop and run X This should work. If not, try #2 If this works, you may also try #2 to get higher resolution if possible. (2) Try different AMD video driver xf86-video-ati-19.1.0_7,1 with drm-515-kmod-5.15.160.1402000_6 and run X -configure to generate a /root/xorg.conf.new, add Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to Section "ServerLayout" then move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf This is usually a problem for amd video on laptops. You may try different combination of amd video drivers (2) and drm- (2), so total 4 configurations. You already tried one, so only three left there to try. On 7/14/25 18:20, Mauricio wrote: > > I had similar issue on an old HP laptop, but not sure if it is the same > > cause as yours. > > > > Please try to set Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" in > /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > (uncomment the line in Section Serverlayout) > > > Section "ServerLayout" > > Identifier "X.org Configured" > > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > > #Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" > >EndSection > > Ok so i have tried this and it only led me to getting a xorg error, > and i got no graphical output. > Here i leave the xorg log: https://pastebin.com/7pAKUJXz > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:13 PM Jin Guojun[VFF] <jguojun@gmail.com> wrote: > > It can be in there or many following places. Please refer to the > man xorg.conf. > > /etc/X11/<cmdline> > /usr/local/etc/X11/<cmdline> > /etc/X11/$XORGCONFIG > /usr/local/etc/X11/$XORGCONFIG > /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /etc/xorg.conf > /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.<hostname> > /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf > /usr/local/lib/X11/xorg.conf.<hostname> > /usr/local/lib/X11/xorg.conf > > AllowEmptyInput was an old problem, but just in case it reoccurs. > In this case, Ctrl+Alt+DEL should be able to reboot the laptop. > You may try to confirm if it is the case. > > I also see the similar issue on some laptops, the mainly is > related to the display driver -- xf86-video-xxx-#.#.#_# > Since your laptop is not using a xorg.conf file, it uses the > default driver, which usually works. > You may try to load video card specific driver, like > xf86-video-ati-19.1.0_7,1 if the laptop has an ATI video card. > > On 7/14/25 09:22, Mauricio wrote: >> >I had similar issue on an old HP laptop, but not sure if it is >> the same >> >cause as yours. >> > >> >Please try to set Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" in >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> >(uncomment the line in Section Serverlayout) >> >> >Section "ServerLayout" >> > Identifier "X.org Configured" >> > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 >> > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" >> > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" >> > #Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" >> >EndSection >> >> I just did as you say. I will keep y'all informed about the results. >> Let it be noted that this file was not in that directory before. >> Also, should not this file be in /usr/local/etc/X11/ ? >> I'm asking that as a newbie. As far as i know, that's the place >> where >> we usually modify these kinds of files... >> >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 12:05 PM Jin Guojun[VFF] >> <jguojun@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 7/14/25 04:57, infoomatic wrote: >> > Sorry I cannot help with your problem, however, I just want >> to comment >> > on the hardware: we ordered a few HP 255-G5 @dayjob back >> then, and >> > after a while we gave up on them because they were >> constantly having >> > Microsoft Windows Bluescreens. I then decided to throw >> FreeBSD on them >> > without GUI and use it for our build farm - have worked >> flawlessly in >> > that configuration now for years. It may be that there is >> something >> > odd with the 255 series from HP. >> > >> > On 14.07.25 03:43, Mauricio wrote: >> >> I have an HP 255-G7 Laptop running FreeBSD 14.3 RELEASE >> which every >> >> now and then freezes entirely while using Xorg. When the >> laptop >> >> freezes, the only thing that gives me a response is mouse >> and graphic >> >> tablet movement. >> >> >> >> At that point, I can't jump to a virtual console with >> >> CTRL+ALT+FUNCTIONKEY. >> >> I can't even shut the computer down by pressing the >> shutdown button >> >> for less than a second as I usually do. >> >> But trying to do both things makes the disk activity light >> indicator >> >> start blinking a lot for a moment. >> >> >> >> The laptop doesn't seem to get back to work even after >> half an hour >> >> of waiting or more. >> >> Something that i have been noticing is that the freeze >> seems to be >> >> triggered by an increase of resources use. I noticed that >> because the >> >> freezing starts usually after opening a program like a >> terminal >> >> emulator while there are already some programs running in >> other >> >> windows. It also happened one time while trying to use my >> laptop >> >> while copying 23GBs of data in a virtual console. >> >> >> >> I leave some routine files here for you to check up if you >> feel the >> >> need of it: >> >> >> >> dmesg output: https://pastebin.com/C27M5K0F >> >> <https://pastebin.com/C27M5K0F>; >> >> rc.conf: https://pastebin.com/9wX0sKsa >> <https://pastebin.com/9wX0sKsa>; >> >> loader.conf: https://pastebin.com/wBrdL8NL >> >> <https://pastebin.com/wBrdL8NL>; >> >> >> >> As always, thanks to whoever that takes the time to help >> me with this >> >> I had similar issue on an old HP laptop, but not sure if it >> is the same >> cause as yours. >> >> Please try to set Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" in >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf >> (uncomment the line in Section Serverlayout) >> >> Section "ServerLayout" >> Identifier "X.org Configured" >> Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 >> InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" >> InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" >> #Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" >> EndSection >> >> > [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">You can't just have a Section "ServerLayout" in the xorg.conf file, you need a completed xorg.conf file generated from command</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> X -configure</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">By looking the dmesg, it look like that you have xf86-video-amdgpu driver installed by pkg. AMD video on laptops has more issues in xorg.</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">There are a few separated configurations below you may try:</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">(1) Since the laptop has only 1366x768 resolution, you may not need a GPU driver (for higher resolution display).</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> pkg delete xf86-video-* (replace * with all installed video driver names)</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> pkg delete drm-* (ditto)</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> restart laptop and run X</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> This should work. If not, try #2</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> If this works, you may also try #2 to get higher resolution if possible.</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">(2) Try different AMD video driver xf86-video-ati-19.1.0_7,1 with drm-515-kmod-5.15.160.1402000_6</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> and run X -configure to generate a /root/xorg.conf.new, add Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to Section "ServerLayout"</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> then move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> This is usually a problem for amd video on laptops.</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> You may try different combination of amd video drivers (2) and drm- (2), so total 4 configurations.</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> You already tried one, so only three left there to try.</div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/25 18:20, Mauricio wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAMsoGZ2AybgWsF1KPpnrxFd0pZC6qnzCBtjhedocaUe0w84BtA@mail.gmail.com"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">> I had similar issue on an old HP laptop, but not sure if it is the same <br> > cause as yours.<br> ><br> > Please try to set Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf </div> <div dir="ltr">> (uncomment the line in Section Serverlayout)<br> <br> > Section "ServerLayout"<br> > Identifier "X.org Configured"<br> > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0<br> > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"<br> > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"<br> > #Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false"<br> >EndSection <div class="gmail-adL"><br> </div> <div class="gmail-adL">Ok so i have tried this and it only led me to getting a xorg error, and i got no graphical output.</div> <div class="gmail-adL">Here i leave the xorg log: <a href="https://pastebin.com/7pAKUJXz" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/7pAKUJXz</a></div>; </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:13 PM Jin Guojun[VFF] <<a href="mailto:jguojun@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jguojun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div>It can be in there or many following places. Please refer to the man xorg.conf.</div> <div><br> </div> <div> /etc/X11/<cmdline><br> /usr/local/etc/X11/<cmdline><br> /etc/X11/$XORGCONFIG<br> /usr/local/etc/X11/$XORGCONFIG<br> /etc/X11/xorg.conf<br> /etc/xorg.conf<br> /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.<hostname><br> /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf<br> /usr/local/lib/X11/xorg.conf.<hostname><br> /usr/local/lib/X11/xorg.conf</div> <div><br> </div> <div>AllowEmptyInput was an old problem, but just in case it reoccurs.</div> <div>In this case, Ctrl+Alt+DEL should be able to reboot the laptop. You may try to confirm if it is the case.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I also see the similar issue on some laptops, the mainly is related to the display driver -- xf86-video-xxx-#.#.#_#</div> <div>Since your laptop is not using a xorg.conf file, it uses the default driver, which usually works. </div> <div>You may try to load video card specific driver, like xf86-video-ati-19.1.0_7,1 if the laptop has an ATI video card.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>On 7/14/25 09:22, Mauricio wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr">>I had similar issue on an old HP laptop, but not sure if it is the same <br> >cause as yours.<br> ><br> >Please try to set Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf <br> >(uncomment the line in Section Serverlayout)<br> <br> >Section "ServerLayout"<br> > Identifier "X.org Configured"<br> > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0<br> > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"<br> > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"<br> > #Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false"<br> <div>>EndSection</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I just did as you say. I will keep y'all informed about the results.</div> <div>Let it be noted that this file was not in that directory before.</div> <div>Also, should not this file be in /usr/local/etc/X11/ ?</div> <div>I'm asking that as a newbie. As far as i know, that's the place where </div> <div>we usually modify these kinds of files...</div> </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 12:05 PM Jin Guojun[VFF] <<a href="mailto:jguojun@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jguojun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 7/14/25 04:57, infoomatic wrote:<br> > Sorry I cannot help with your problem, however, I just want to comment <br> > on the hardware: we ordered a few HP 255-G5 @dayjob back then, and <br> > after a while we gave up on them because they were constantly having <br> > Microsoft Windows Bluescreens. I then decided to throw FreeBSD on them <br> > without GUI and use it for our build farm - have worked flawlessly in <br> > that configuration now for years. It may be that there is something <br> > odd with the 255 series from HP.<br> ><br> > On 14.07.25 03:43, Mauricio wrote:<br> >> I have an HP 255-G7 Laptop running FreeBSD 14.3 RELEASE which every <br> >> now and then freezes entirely while using Xorg. When the laptop <br> >> freezes, the only thing that gives me a response is mouse and graphic <br> >> tablet movement.<br> >><br> >> At that point, I can't jump to a virtual console with <br> >> CTRL+ALT+FUNCTIONKEY.<br> >> I can't even shut the computer down by pressing the shutdown button <br> >> for less than a second as I usually do.<br> >> But trying to do both things makes the disk activity light indicator <br> >> start blinking a lot for a moment.<br> >><br> >> The laptop doesn't seem to get back to work even after half an hour <br> >> of waiting or more.<br> >> Something that i have been noticing is that the freeze seems to be <br> >> triggered by an increase of resources use. I noticed that because the <br> >> freezing starts usually after opening a program like a terminal <br> >> emulator while there are already some programs running in other <br> >> windows. It also happened one time while trying to use my laptop <br> >> while copying 23GBs of data in a virtual console.<br> >><br> >> I leave some routine files here for you to check up if you feel the <br> >> need of it:<br> >><br> >> dmesg output: <a href="https://pastebin.com/C27M5K0F" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/C27M5K0F</a>; <br> >> <<a href="https://pastebin.com/C27M5K0F" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/C27M5K0F</a>><br>; >> rc.conf: <a href="https://pastebin.com/9wX0sKsa" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/9wX0sKsa</a>; <<a href="https://pastebin.com/9wX0sKsa" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/9wX0sKsa</a>><br>; >> loader.conf: <a href="https://pastebin.com/wBrdL8NL" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/wBrdL8NL</a>; <br> >> <<a href="https://pastebin.com/wBrdL8NL" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/wBrdL8NL</a>><br>; >><br> >> As always, thanks to whoever that takes the time to help me with this<br> <br> I had similar issue on an old HP laptop, but not sure if it is the same <br> cause as yours.<br> <br> Please try to set Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf <br> (uncomment the line in Section Serverlayout)<br> <br> Section "ServerLayout"<br> Identifier "X.org Configured"<br> Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0<br> InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"<br> InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"<br> #Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false"<br> EndSection<br> <br> <br> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> <p><br> </p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p><br> </p> </body> </html>help
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