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Date:      Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:09:10 -0700
From:      "Russell L. Carter" <rcarter@geli.com>
To:        gibbs@freefall.FreeBSD.org, rcarter@geli.com
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: CICA cry for help
Message-ID:  <199508210409.VAA18033@geli.clusternet>

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|From POPmail Sun Aug 20 21:07:46 1995
|Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:10:59 -0700
|From: Russell Carter <rcarter@best.com>
|To: rcarter@geli.com
|
|>From emo@cica.cica.indiana.edu Sun Aug 20 20:36:46 PDT 1995
|Article: 16936 of comp.os.linux.networking
|Path: news1.best.com!news3.net99.net!news.cais.net!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!cica.cica.indiana.edu!not-for-mail
|From: emo@cica.cica.indiana.edu (Eric Ost)
|Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
|Subject: using Linux for heavily-accessed network servers
|Date: 19 Aug 1995 20:50:40 -0500
|Organization: Center for Innovative Computer Applications, Indiana University
|Lines: 100
|Reply-To: emo@cica.cica.indiana.edu
|NNTP-Posting-Host: cica.cica.indiana.edu
|Summary: heavily-accessed site w/ random hangs on specific port... suggestions?
|Xref: news1.best.com comp.os.linux.networking:16936 comp.os.linux.setup:24546 comp.os.linux.hardware:19443
|
|Greetings All,
|
|I've read testimonials from folks who administer active Internet 
|sites which are using Linux on a PC and I am hoping that a few
|of you will read this note and be able to offer some suggestions.
|Has anyone else experienced problems similar to the ones described 
|below and what corrective actions were taken to resolve them?
|
|Our site hosts one of the world's most active ftp sites: the CICA ftp software
|archive.  It also runs httpd and gopher servers as well as handling
|a normal load of email and system-related work, e.g. compiles, file edits,
|etc.
|
|Here is the current configuration:
|
|Hardware
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Intel Neptune PCI chipset
|Micronics motherboard with P5-90
|128MB RAM
|6 GB disk (Seagate 2GB Barracuda, Seagate 4GB Hawk)
|Buslogic 946C SCSI-2, PCI controller
|SMC EtherPower PCI NIC
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|Software
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Slackware 2.3
|Linux 1.2.10
|xinetd 2.1.4-linux.3 (master server)
|wu-ftpd 2.4          (ftp server)
|NCSA httpd 1.4.1     (http server)
|gn 2.08              (gopher server)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|We have been experiencing strangeness whereby the system "burps" for a, 
|sometimes extended, period of time, and connections to port 21 are not 
|possible -- they just timeout.  However, we configured an ftp service
|for port 1111 and have discovered that during a "burp" on port 21,
|connections to wu-ftpd running on port 1111 are just fine.  Telnet (login)
|to the machine also works speedily.  Random delays have occurred with as low 
|as 90 and as high as 190 simultaneous connections to port 21; the more 
|connections, the more likelihood of a delay...
|
|In all of the above instances, xinetd is playing the role of mediator 
|between the incoming request and invoking the proper server.
|
|We have noticed that "netstat" reveals a number of tcp connections in state
|FIN_WAIT2.  We reduced the default and max timeouts for wu-ftpd to 300 and 600
|seconds, respectively, thinking that perhaps the delays were due to a scarcity
|of sockets, with needed resources being tied up in FIN_WAIT2.  Reducing
|the timeout has reduced the number of processes in FIN_WAIT2, but has not
|prevented the random delays.
|
|The question arises: why do ftp connections to port 1111, telnet/login
|to port 23, and smtp via port 25 all connect immediately without delay*?
|Connections to these ports depend on allocation of sockets just like the ftp 
|connection requests to port 21.  What are the causative differences here?
|
|Log file data seems to indicate that wu-ftpd is not being forked by
|xinetd on port 21 during these burps while wu-ftpd is being forked speedily
|in response to port 1111 requests.  Thus, the problem does not appear
|to be directly caused by wu-ftpd.  Nor does it appear to be caused by
|xinetd.   If wu-ftpd can be initiated on port 1111 by xinetd, why 
|can't the same executable be forked to communicate with port 21?
|
|During these random delays existing connections on port 21 do not seem to
|be adversely effected.
|
|Thinking that lightening the load of xinetd might be in order, we are
|now running one instance of xinted on ports 21 and 1111 with another
|instance on all the other ports.  The delays continue at random times on
|port 21 while during these periods connections to port 1111 are speedily
|answered.
|
|At one point the kernel parameter NSOCKETS_LINUX in <net.h> was increased
|to 2048, but that did not make any difference either.
|
|Does anyone have suggestions for further investigation or possibly a 
|method for resolving this quandary?  We have attempted to systematically
|narrow the search to focus on the source of the problem.  Now we are
|wondering if there may be some kind of resource-wait deadlock happening 
|occasionally somewhere in the system.
|
|We have been "hanging in there" with Linux for a variety of reasons.
|However, we are reaching a point where the problem has become an acute
|nuisance and so have been giving serious consideration to switching OS's,
|e.g. FreeBSD.
|
|Any assistance or suggestions folks may lend to resolution of this problem
|will be greatly appreciated.  The net is a great resource; especially, the
|thousands of folks working on developing kernel and application level
|code for Linux.  
|
|Any words of wisdom out there?
|
|Thanks,
|
|eric
|
|
|
|
|
 



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