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Date:      Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:50:45 -0500
From:      Bill Vermillion <bill@bilver.wjv.com>
To:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Drive Copy
Message-ID:  <20001130175044.B19547@wjv.com>
In-Reply-To: <1655.207.250.66.46.975622156.squirrel@mail.phreak.net>; from operator@phreak.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:09:16PM -0600
References:  <20001130110442.A16709@wjv.com> <1655.207.250.66.46.975622156.squirrel@mail.phreak.net>

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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:09:16PM -0600, Operator thus spoke:

> > > Does anyone have bootable tape support on x86? The MakeSysB
> > > tape generation on AIX boxes rocks. There also used to be a
> > > SCO-usable product (CTar?) that made a tape and a boot floppy.
> > > Both worked well.

> > Ctar was the original - Mike Schwartz as I recall - the company was
> > Unitrends.  It's still around but it's decendants BackupEdge from 
> > Microlite and Lone-Tar from Cactus are quite popular.

> > Edge supports boot from tape on the new HPs.  They don't support 
> > the FreeBSD market.  Lone-Tar supports FreeBSD.  How well I'm not
> > sure as I haven't installed my copy - I need to get my tape drive
> > fixed first.  I have seen no vendor which supports bootable
> > disaster recovery software under FreeBSD, though LoneTar and BRU
> > have bootable recovery disks for Linux.

> Funny you mention Unitrends software, they actually make a product
> called Backup Professional ( http://www.unitrends.com/bp.html )
> which supports x86 booting from floppy along with tons of
> other neat features.

Well not really funny if you know the history.  About 2 years ago I
lent Steve [on the net of course] and SGI Indy he could compile
the latest SGI version of Lone-Tar.  Are you saying the the BP from
Unitrends supports floppy boot recovery for BSD?   All three of the
programs support the 'mainstream' Unix systems and an emergency
boot floppy for many of them.

> I was doing a lot of looking around for a package that'll let me 
> backup various platforms and from what I've found Backup Pro
> is about the only one that'll deal with all my platforms.

In that case I'll bet Cactus has most of those too because Steve
[at Unitrends] and Jeff [at cactus.com - aka LoneTar] work closely
together.

> If you're interested feel free to drop me an email and I'll keep
> you in the loop..

Not really neccesary since I know the people involved at the three
based on the original Ctar.  I've only corresponded by mail with
XXX at BRU.  Up until about 3 years ago I supported many small
business machines, primarily on SCO, and one of the products is
always on any machines I support.  One client thought the price was
a bit stiff, until I had to reload is SCO on his AT&T/Olivettie
three times - because it turned out a flaky controller or
motherboard.  Bizarre machine with far too many daughter cards.

Stick in the floppy - and 5 minutes later be loading from tape.
He also was there when I did the first raw install and he saw that
the price [$300 as I recall] more than paid for itself.  All the
machine are also running bit-level verifies to a bit by bit compare
of tape contents with what is on the hard drive after the backup.

Don't see an error that way often, but everyone once in a while a
bit get corrupted somewhere along the line.  Nice to know it
immediately after backup instead of when you need the tape.

-- 
Bill Vermillion -   bv @ wjv . com


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