Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:24:23 -0500 From: Volker Quetschke <quetschke@scytek.de> To: ports@FreeBSD.org, openoffice@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Excessive dependancies for OpenOffice 2.0 port Message-ID: <436E8297.6000308@scytek.de> In-Reply-To: <200511061358.15971@Misha> References: <200511051218.09945@Misha> <20051106180533.GA4574@xor.obsecurity.org> <200511061358.15971@Misha>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF355426B8FFB1EAB95D8FA0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mikhail T. wrote: > = On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 12:18:09PM -0500, Mikhail T. wrote: > = > I'm surprised, you are not objecting to the port's building of its OWN > = > C and C++ compiler, as well as a bunch of "small" things like STLport, > = > db4, expat (yes, it depends on it, but builds its own too!), sablotron, > = > xmlsec, etc. etc. > > = I don't think you realise how much work it is to keep OO building even > = with stock vendor sources, let alone with third party versions of > = those packages. > > Actually, I do realise that, and, in my opinion, it is _harder_ to keep > it building the current way. The third-party packages -- installed by > other ports -- have their own maintainers, who watch out for build > problems. Then I suggest that you provide the patches and feed them back to OOo so that the next time you don't have to do it again once a new OOo version comes up. Don't forget to sign the copyright agreement. > Building a special version of C compiler is, AFAIK, unprecedented. Feel free to work around the bugs that prohibit the use of *old* gcc versions or convince the maintainer of the regular (FreeBSD) gcc version to incorporate the visibility patch: <http://www.nedprod.com/programs/gccvisibility.html>; > The major problem, that the OOo maintainers have created for themselves > is the rebuild of such things as mozilla (old, outdated version) and > STLport4 (old, outdated version). Even when using ccache, these useless > things take A LOT of time and diskspace. Plus, of course, a whole slew > of small items (beginning with dmake). Even though you have your point that a lot of packages are included as old versions there is also work going on to reduce these dependencies. Did you ever look at the "--with-system-XXX" parameters of OOo's configure? Also you complain about a tool (dmake) that takes roughly 10 seconds to build *and* that is available in the ports collection so that it doesn't have to be rebuild? Do you have the time to check/redo all the makefiles for a 300MB source package that builds just fine with dmake? (Insert nasty comment about BSD make vs. GNU make here.) > Maho -- the soul of our openoffice@ team -- is more of an OOo person, > than FreeBSD person. And that's the root of it -- OOo's philosophy with > respect to 3rd-party packages is that it MUST be buildable with the > bundled versions and, OPTIONALLY, with the already installed ones. A > FreeBSD port should be different... Maybe you should check your attitude. If you stop thinking of OOo as a port but as an application that runs on many OSs (including FreeBSD) and the failure to do so as a bug we might actually get somewhere. Maho, keep up the good work! > I'm trying to make an OOo port that would work on 64-bit arches (my main > system is amd64). I'm long past the third-party packages problem -- it > is all about 64-bit integers/pointers now... I see that you are already familiar with the internals so that I don't have to point you to Jan Holesovskys (and others) work on the 64bit version. You might want to have a look at the cws_src680_ooo64bit02 branch and Jan's presentation at OOoCon2005. <http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/ooo/OOoCon-2005/AMD64_OOo_OOoCon_2005.html>; His blog might also be interesting for you: <http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/>; So, keep up your work, I hope you get your /port/ of OOo running on 64bit soon. Volker P.S.: 64bit questions are discussed frequently on dev@porting.openoffice.org -- PGP/GPG key (ID: 0x9F8A785D) available from wwwkeys.de.pgp.net key-fingerprint 550D F17E B082 A3E9 F913 9E53 3D35 C9BA 9F8A 785D --------------enigF355426B8FFB1EAB95D8FA0A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MinGW) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDboKcPTXJup+KeF0RAhNnAKCEAuK9Hlub7P0tLBvYFV/Ou3cfLQCdHmXy EExTpikLVQOWxhcGgs15Zu8= =zvyz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF355426B8FFB1EAB95D8FA0A--
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