Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:30:05 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in> To: Simara <simara@mail.cyberlink.com.pe> Cc: "R. D. Davis" <rdd@smart.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Roadmap and Weak Spots - A regular SysAdmin perspective Message-ID: <20000729023005.A14720@physics.iisc.ernet.in> In-Reply-To: <015201bff8d2$cba8ef50$acb701c8@southamerica.corp.microsoft.com>; from simara@mail.cyberlink.com.pe on Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 03:31:06PM -0500 References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10007280950461.31873-100000@smarty.smart.net> <015201bff8d2$cba8ef50$acb701c8@southamerica.corp.microsoft.com>
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Simara said on Jul 28, 2000 at 15:31:06: > > 2. GUI besides X11 on the works? (I really like X11, just asking) Reading your original mail (below) it seems your desire to remove X11 is mainly because linux uses it. Not only does that look like a very inadequate reason to me, but in fact X11 has nothing to do with linux, it originated much earlier. There are projects for X11 replacements, but none, I think, as part of the BSD projects. You can look at http://www.ggi-project.org http://www.berlin-consortium.org http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/embedded/ http://hungry.org/products/Ywindows/ (this one seems to be dead, though) - Rahul. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd@smart.net> > To: "Simara" <simara@mail.cyberlink.com.pe> > Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Roadmap and Weak Spots - A regular SysAdmin perspective > > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Simara wrote: > > > 1. There is no roadmap of the OS, sorry if I didn't found it but if its > > > there its really hard to find!, I've read most of the docs, website and > so > > > forth. (nobody really using the system knows what are the goals for the > next > > > release, what long term plans...), and that is REALLY a turn down from > > > decision makers or people trying to invest, partners to support and > > > companies to get involved. > > > > You've just shown that there being no "roadmap," as you say, is actually > an > > advantage, not a disadvantage. Once the investors, tc. get involved, then > > companies like Microbletch^H^H^H^H^H^Hsoft begin investing and destroying > > things. I'm sure that Microsoft would love to be able to sink huge sums > of > > money into FreeBSD or Linux so as to be able to make them unavailable. > > > > > 2. FreeBSD (or maybe the complete BSD family) should get their own GUI > built > > > for BSD, I'm not saying that you kick Xf86 down the road, maybe have the > > > > Do you mean something other than X11, or are you just referring to > > XF86 in particular? > > > > > opportunity to select either of them, but if this is accomplished you > could > > > get a lot of people on your backs congratulating and a lot of home users > > > migrating, I personally love to have XF86 and a lot of flavors of window > > > managers but enough is enough. With the new GUI we can all get rid of > the > > > comparison to Linux and other free OS (Just like www.AtheOS.cx is doing > and > > > > It's not only the free flavors of UNIX-like operating systems that use > > X11, but the commercial ones as well, and surely you have to admit > > that XF86 is nicer to use than what comes with SCO Openserver, for > > example. Is Motif available for FreeBSD? > > > > > 3. INNOVATION!!!!. Well *NIX has been here a long time, and you guys > have > > > make almost perfection from the heritance but there are no new stuff > besides > > > IPSec, Kerberos and IPV6 Support (I know Corba is there but to make > corba > > > > Speaking of IPv6, that's scary... can be used for hardware > > authentication, e.g. ethernet board identification to identify who > > does what and goes where on the 'net. Hopefully this Orwellian > > "functionality" can be be done away with. > > > > > really compatible is a real pain you know where, been there done that), > and > > > I really Like COM, ASP, and other things Microsoft has provided (That > Corba > > > and JSP and PHP and others have copied just fine). I know most of you > guys > > > don't like Microsoft, personally I think the 9x branch is a waste of > time > > > > "don't like" is an understatement. I can think of fewer things being > > nicer than Micro$loth going away and taking the Gates of Hell with it. > > > > > but NT or 2000 are good from my point of view (learning curve > perspective), > > > > NT is a castrated VMS wannabe with a Windoze interface glued on it; I > > understand that some of the good things originally designed into VMS, > > by Dave Cutler were removed for marketing/bizdroid purposes. > > > > > and please don't harass me respecting this point I made or you'll all > look > > > > Why not? > > > > > like Linux MS haters that is sometimes pathetic. > > > > No, we'll just look like FreeBSD MS haters. :-) :-) :-) What's truly > > pathetic are the Microsoft lovers... they need to use use Emacs and do > > an "M-x doctor." Actually, should there not be a category in the DSM > > for those who willingly use, and believe that they like, Microsoft > > products? > > > > > Please don't hate me for what I tried to explain as crystal clear as > > > > No, I just pity you for your positive feelings towards Microsoft. :-) > > I've nothing avaoist commercial operating systems, but I don't like > > monopolistic companies that produce poor quality products and market > > them using unscrupulous business tactics. > > > > > possible, I may be wrong with most of this issues and I would like in > that > > > case a founded perspective, I really love the OS and it could hit the > market > > > prime time with a little extra effort (Kill that hackers-Only image) > > > > Yes, it could, and, it would automagically have a great big tarket > > painted on it that Microsoft would aim for. That is, it would be an > > investment target slated for destruction. Why do you want to see > > something as nice to use as FreeBSD destroyed? > > > > Just my 2-cents worth. > > > > -- > > R. D. Davis > > rdd@perqlogic.com > > http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd > > 410-744-4900 > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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