Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:56:21 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: <TM4525@aol.com>, <krinklyfig@spymac.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What version of FBSD does Yahoo run? Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNGEHFEPAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <12d.4c9e18d5.2e98a979@aol.com>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of TM4525@aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:40 PM > To: krinklyfig@spymac.com > Cc: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What version of FBSD does Yahoo run? > > > In a message dated 10/8/04 2:25:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > krinklyfig@spymac.com writes: > > You guys are the ones making the claims that 5.3 is "going to be > > so great". I just wonder how you come to that conclusion if you > > don't have any definitive tests. I dont have a release to test, so > > when its done I'll test it. > > Why don't you download and install the latest 5.3 beta and test it? This > is the only way to test 5.3, as there is no "release" yet. If you > refuse to test it due to its beta status, then you should probably > reconsider your challenges until 5.3 is stable and you can test it for > yourself. If this is the case, then all you're doing now is making > noise ... and, yes, trolling. > ------------------------- > > I haven't made any "challanges". Yes you have. Your words: "I just hope that pounding packets through a socket and timing mySQL selects aren't the entirety of your team's arsenal." In other words you are in effect saying "your team's" when you are talking about the core group that is developing FreeBSD 5 - well aren't you using FreeBSD yourself? If so, you are a member of that team. Yet, your words say the FreeBSD team is not where you are at? if you considered yourself part of the FreeBSD userbase you would say something like: "I just hope that pounding packets through a socket and timing mySQL selects aren't the entirety of OUR team's arsenal." And it's not just this sentence although this is one of the most blatent. You are using verbage and terminology that clearly sets you in opposition to the rest of us, users and developers, of FreeBSD. If this isn't a challenge you don't know the meaning of the word. > My point was that there are a lot > of people making claims they have no ability to substantiate. And > obviously I am correct. > You yourself are coming from the assumption that all these people are wrong or misguided. Meaning that your assumption is that FreeBSD 5 is worse than 4. Yet you have not appeared to post anything even benchmarks that substantiates your claims that FreeBSD 5 is indeed slower. So put yourself into the same category as the folks that are claiming FreeBSD 5 is better. > A guess a "troll" is anyone who questiong the powers that be. Must be > a bunch of communists running the show here. The 'powers that be' in FreeBSD are the people contributing to it. If you want to have credibility which confers authority and therefore a small measure of what you would call "power" I guess then contribute something. To me the FreeBSD community isn't at all about power. If you want to see real, raw power then go work for a corporation and start making some decisions to spend lots of money, start hiring and firing people, start creating and destroying products. That's what power is all about - the ability to affect people's lives, directly, and in particular to make them do what they normally would not do. But, in the FreeBSD community power doesen't work like that at all. Even if you have a lot of money - none of these FreeBSD developers out here is going to take your money and work on something in FreeBSD that they dislike. That's not what they are here for. Instead, about the only measure of power that anyone has in the FreeBSD community is by their choice of whether to contribute or not. You choose to stand outside and throw rocks - well, your exercising a small amount of power yourself - because your NOT contributing anything of value. That lack of contribution means FreeBSD has a little bit less to it, which makes it a little bit less appealing. By contrast if you chose to create something for FreeBSD then your also exercising a little bit of power - because your contributing something of value, your making FreeBSD a bit more appealing which will help to attact more people to use it. Everyone in the FreeBSD community has this same bit of power. But what your missing is that the rock-throwers efforts rarely amount to much. Their best rock throwing is like branches scratching on the side of the house in the wind. By contrast the people that contribute to FreeBSD, well the more they contribute the more lives they affect and if your measuring power by the number of lives you affect, if you contribute a lot that will be a great many people indeed. So, sorry, but FreeBSD really doesen't have these "powers-that-be" which you seem to think it has. And as for a troll, that term is already well defined in many electronic forums. Ted
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