Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 09:40:08 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt <freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk> To: questions <questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Nice easy Spamassassin question Message-ID: <61db5665-34cf-4057-b304-d9d70e101891@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <aMiHCD6ObGaKgub7@amaryllis.le-fay.org> References: <2a5a1f67-5420-436d-a5b9-f3b5e0bb9d85@fjl.co.uk> <aMiHCD6ObGaKgub7@amaryllis.le-fay.org>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On 15/09/2025 22:37, Lexi Winter wrote: > Frank Leonhardt: >> Apparently someone's decided to drop sendmail from the base system in 15. > > this is not true, sendmail is still shipped in base in 15.0 and there > are no plans to remove it in any future release. in fact, i just > committed a couple of sendmail fixes in the last few days. > > please tell whoever told you this that they are misinformed. SirDice, 11th July, 2024: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/upgrading-to-release-14-from-13.91161/ "And if you are actively usingsendmail(8) <https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sendmail&sektion=8&manpath=freebsd-release-ports>I suggest switching to_mail/sendmail_ <http://www.freshports.org/mail/sendmail>instead. In 15 sendmail will be completely removed from the base." If this is not the case then I'm pleased to hear it, but after the Berkeley Internet Name Domain daemon (and most importantly tools) was removed from BSD; and /etc/motd was replaced by something incompatible; and DMA has been the default since 14.0, it sounded quite plausible.SirDice is very well informed so I assume it was correct a year ago, and movements such as this tend to keep going until they get their way. Do you know what's going on in the background? >> But spamassassin is causing me trouble. > sorry, no idea about that, but i wanted to correct the above. Yeah, it should be a fairly straightforward thing but the documentation is lacking and I'm trying to do something about that. If you're running a an actual mail server you're going want sendmail+SASL+spamassassin+DKIM, and these days in a jail, and it's a bit of a pain. The handbook now covers SASL, but only the ports version and requires the base sendmail to be recompiled. (Cue Exim and Postfix aficionados, who may have a point). Regards, Frank. [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/09/2025 22:37, Lexi Winter wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:aMiHCD6ObGaKgub7@amaryllis.le-fay.org"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Frank Leonhardt: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Apparently someone's decided to drop sendmail from the base system in 15. </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> this is not true, sendmail is still shipped in base in 15.0 and there are no plans to remove it in any future release. in fact, i just committed a couple of sendmail fixes in the last few days. please tell whoever told you this that they are misinformed. </pre> </blockquote> <p>SirDice, 11th July, 2024:<br> <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/upgrading-to-release-14-from-13.91161/">https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/upgrading-to-release-14-from-13.91161/</a><br>; </p> <p>"<span style="color: rgb(20, 20, 20); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">And if you are actively using<span> </span></span><a target="_blank" title="The FreeBSD sendmail(8) manual page" href="https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sendmail&sektion=8&manpath=freebsd-release-ports" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(102, 0, 0); text-decoration: underline; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;">sendmail(8)</a><span style="color: rgb(20, 20, 20); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>I suggest switching to<span> </span></span><a target="_blank" title="mail/sendmail port" href="http://www.freshports.org/mail/sendmail" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(102, 0, 0); text-decoration: underline; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"><u style="box-sizing: border-box;"><tt style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); font-style: italic; text-decoration: underline;">mail/sendmail</tt></u></a><span style="color: rgb(20, 20, 20); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>instead. In 15 sendmail will be completely removed from the base.</span>"</p> <p>If this is not the case then I'm pleased to hear it, but after the Berkeley Internet Name Domain daemon (and most importantly tools) was removed from BSD; and /etc/motd was replaced by something incompatible; and DMA has been the default since 14.0, it sounded quite plausible.<span style="white-space: pre-wrap"> </span>SirDice is very well informed so I assume it was correct a year ago, and movements such as this tend to keep going until they get their way. Do you know what's going on in the background?<span style="white-space: pre-wrap"> </span></p> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:aMiHCD6ObGaKgub7@amaryllis.le-fay.org"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">But spamassassin is causing me trouble. </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> sorry, no idea about that, but i wanted to correct the above.</pre> </blockquote> Yeah, it should be a fairly straightforward thing but the documentation is lacking and I'm trying to do something about that. If you're running a an actual mail server you're going want sendmail+SASL+spamassassin+DKIM, and these days in a jail, and it's a bit of a pain. The handbook now covers SASL, but only the ports version and requires the base sendmail to be recompiled. (Cue Exim and Postfix aficionados, who may have a point).<br> <br> <p>Regards, Frank.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><span style="white-space: pre-wrap"> </span></p> </body> </html>help
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