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Date:      Mon, 12 May 1997 17:13:06 +0300
From:      Ruslan Shevchenko <rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua>
To:        Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Cc:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, chuckr@mat.net, moore@WOLFENET.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: g++ shared library segfaults
Message-ID:  <33772548.5D88@cki.ipri.kiev.ua>
References:  <199705101933.MAA04308@phaeton.artisoft.com>

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Terry Lambert wrote:
> 
> > > Qt looks pretty good to me replace it by something better and I will
> > > consider it.
> >
> > I thought we were talking about document prep systems - now we're
> > evaluating GUI toolkits on their own, independant merit?   I'm
> > confused. :-)
> 
> Don't be so quick to judge.
> 
> I wanted a single UI program to talk to command line administration
> programs that obeyed a given set of interactor semantics.  So I wrote
> a set of command line tools for administering user accounts... all
> the whistles -- UID, GID, renaming, renumbering, relocation of account
> directories, etc., etc..
> 
> The idea was to have user tools, disk management tools, service
> administration tools, etc..  Basically, an NT 4.0 type UI for UNIX,
> with about 15-20 actual programs backing it.
> 
> Then I came up with an interactor grammar for talking to the command
> line utilities -- command line options and statting of stdin to see
> if it was a pipe, etc., etc..
> 


> Then I started writing an X based UI, but decided that the only way
> it would ever fly is if the UI had a standard look and feel, and the
> closest thing UNIX has to a standard is Motif.

may be for such GUI better tcl/tk ?

> 
> So I started writing a Motif clone to support the X based UI (it now
> runs all of the Young sample code pixel-for-pixel identically to the
> real Motif, but isn't quite there yet, and it looks like ELF is
> finally going to remove my objections to LGPL, so I haven't hacked
> on it in six months).

? I look in LessTiff, and I think it must be work well during few 
month. 

> 
> I basically work on any of these pieces when I want something fun to
> hack on.  Keep enough projects going, and there's always *something*
> fun to hack on.  FS internals books, serial communications books,
> C code, C++ code, artwork, etc..  I personally have 136 cataloged
> projects, and more miscellaneous things than I can count.  I guess
> I'm a dataflow machine?  8-).
> 
> Anyway, it keeps you sane for your day job.
> 

I also think about GUI interfases in such style, 
with 3 independent layers 
1(UI Intyerfaces --> 
2 program interfases
(coomand-line utilities and corresponding text files) 
3 remote configuration for local net, from base conf, such as cfengine,
support configuration of external hardware (dechubs in my case)

And of course, It is interesting but no time.

> So I definitely understand his digression, and the motivation for the
> overall project.  8-).
> 
>                                         Regards,
>                                         Terry Lambert
>                                         terry@lambert.org
> ---
> Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
> or previous employers.



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