Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:56:11 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: Michael Proto <mike@jellydonut.org>, FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: ntpd: leap-seconds.list expiration Message-ID: <CANCZdfpraNDn7wO-TGcuiek21-gvLA0NHj8MNs=toOwDhu38DQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51e78f56-b5f1-4910-b217-fdeef0d95bd7@quip.cz> References: <CAGAnWo3=yLkFJw8K9w92k5GWHHe3Yam8aBMk%2BkYXvHS6QNb-hg@mail.gmail.com> <51e78f56-b5f1-4910-b217-fdeef0d95bd7@quip.cz>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 3:47 PM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > On 13/12/2023 05:03, Michael Proto wrote: > > Noticed recently (in both my upgraded and newly-installed hosts) that > > the leap-seconds.list file is in danger of expiration very soon (12/28). > > It appears the default download location in /etc/defaults/rc.conf > > (https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list > > <https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list>) no longer > > carries this file, or at least it says plainly so when I try to fetch it. > > > > I've been able to work around it locally by > > setting ntp_leapfile_sources=" > https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/ntp/leap-seconds.list < > https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/ntp/leap-seconds.list>" in > /etc/rc.conf from IERS, though in searching where to fetch this there are > questions of copyright in regards to distribution so while this should work > for end-users I don't know how applicable this would be upstream (submitted > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275737 < > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275737>). I figured I'd > throw it out here for visibility to operators as my workaround should work > in that case. > It's not at all clear there are issues with redistribution. Any files that require a license or purchase are locked down at the web server level. The issues sound more on the FUD end of the scale. BIPM has never tried to enforce any ip claims to this file. They have, many years ago, displayed an ignorance of what people want in terms of a clear grant... the bipm, or it's subsidiaries, has published all kinds of other data that's clearly more valuable. Leap seconds are a fact that has low to no creative content. It's not even clear you could copyright it... the comments maybe... but I'm not seeing any kind of real risk here. Warner Thank you for this link! I tried to find actual file yesterday. Now I > fixed it in ntp_leapfile_sources on all my machines. > > Best regards > Miroslav Lachman > > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 3:47 PM Miroslav Lachman <<a href="mailto:000.fbsd@quip.cz">000.fbsd@quip.cz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 13/12/2023 05:03, Michael Proto wrote:<br> > Noticed recently (in both my upgraded and newly-installed hosts) that <br> > the leap-seconds.list file is in danger of expiration very soon (12/28). <br> > It appears the default download location in /etc/defaults/rc.conf <br> > (<a href="https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list</a>; <br> > <<a href="https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/timezones/data/leap-seconds.list</a>>) no longer <br> > carries this file, or at least it says plainly so when I try to fetch it.<br> > <br> > I've been able to work around it locally by <br> > setting ntp_leapfile_sources="<a href="https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/ntp/leap-seconds.list" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/ntp/leap-seconds.list</a>; <<a href="https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/ntp/leap-seconds.list" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/ntp/leap-seconds.list</a>>" in /etc/rc.conf from IERS, though in searching where to fetch this there are questions of copyright in regards to distribution so while this should work for end-users I don't know how applicable this would be upstream (submitted <a href="https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275737" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275737</a>; <<a href="https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275737" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=275737</a>>). I figured I'd throw it out here for visibility to operators as my workaround should work in that case.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's not at all clear there are issues with redistribution. Any files that require a license or purchase are locked down at the web server level. The issues sound more on the FUD end of the scale. BIPM has never tried to enforce any ip claims to this file. They have, many years ago, displayed an ignorance of what people want in terms of a clear grant... the bipm, or it's subsidiaries, has published all kinds of other data that's clearly more valuable. Leap seconds are a fact that has low to no creative content. It's not even clear you could copyright it... the comments maybe... but I'm not seeing any kind of real risk here.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warner</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Thank you for this link! I tried to find actual file yesterday. Now I <br> fixed it in ntp_leapfile_sources on all my machines.<br> <br> Best regards<br> Miroslav Lachman<br> <br> </blockquote></div></div></div>home | help
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