Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:55:51 -0600 From: "WolfRyder" <wolfryder@qwest.net> To: FST777@phreaker.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030330074003.00ac3dd0@pop.omah.uswest.net> In-Reply-To: <0HCJ00245JHP9E@net.WAU.NL>
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At 04:42 AM 3/30/03 +0107, Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: >Maybe some Norwegian members of the list can speak English on a high level, >maybe even higher than "native" english-speakers, but some Dutchmen on the >list (at least one of them, namely me) cannot follow everything of this >story. Allthough I did get the major part of it, I wonder why such >complicated language is needed. I understand the humor behind it, but I'd >like to say to all of you: SPEAK NORMAL ENGLISH. (no offense :) ) There is no such thing as "Normal English", not even in Great Britain, much less in the U.S., where every area of the country pronounces things differently (much like in the Netherlands, I'd say ;-) ) I always tell people I can speak 2 languages fluently...English and Southern English ;-) >Sometimes I even find the manuals too complicated. Open-Source-fighters >should write all their text (especially their manuals) in understandable >english for the "other part" of the community. That's what came up in my >mind while reading this. I am a native English speaker and most of the manuals are too complicated for me as well. That's because (in my opinion) they're written by technical people, not English (language) majors (no slam intended against either profession). That's when I turn to other sources to help me understand what the heck the manuals are saying or just skip the manuals and go to the gurus. >Speaking of the debate here held: I must agree with mr. Clark. Allthough I >like the style and attitude of mr. Manavado (sounds like an "ancient" >behaviour in the Metal-scene) it is clear that no-one should expect from a >non-native english-speaking newbie in the BSD-community to talk >"Queens-english". At least I am refusing to do so. My spouse is Dutch and has lived in the U.S. for the past 6 years. Where he works (as the systems admin), he's usually asked to proof-read stuff before it's printed because he's the only one who knows English grammar and spelling better than the people he works with. And those he works with _do_ have degrees and education...American education. Carol >On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Lal Manavado wrote: > > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:37:58 -0800 > > To: <freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org> > > From: "Lal Manavado" <manavado@frisurf.no> > > Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) > > > > As for English not being the first language of many a user, it only > > hightens > > the cogency of our point; namely, a sound knowledge of English would be > > of > > considerable help. There is no logical reason why someone whose second or > > third tongue is English cannot surpass the so-called native speakers, > > some > > of whom merely emit sounds, which they fondly believe to be English. > > > > Hail to thee! > > > > L. M. > >May the blessings of our Emperor be with thee to the end of all ages! > >Fi-Ji
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