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Date:      Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:13:00 -0400
From:      "Peter Brezny" <peter@purplecat.net>
To:        <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>
Subject:   appropriate list?, was sendmail relaying
Message-ID:  <001301bec0d9$74ed5660$c802040a@latitude>

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Is this a technical list, or a semantic forum?

do one's _opinions_ on the matters of good or bad business belong on this
list?

surely we have a

freebsd-opinions@freebsd.org

going somewhere.

and the cute little 'judge not lest ye be judged' is a fine way to live.
i'm just asking if all the non-technical responses need to be mailed out to
everyone on the list.  My box is getting full.

Thanks for your consideration.

Peter Brezny
purplecat.net


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Chuck Robey
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:58 PM
To: Dennis
Cc: FreeBSD-ISP
Subject: Re: sendmail relaying


On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Dennis wrote:

> At 05:45 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> >On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Dennis wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone who subscribes to ORBs isnt worth sending mail to anyway, so
dont
> >> worry about it. One of my (potential) suppliers lost a big order
because
> >> they kept bouncing my emails *shrug*, I bought from someone else. Some
> >> college weenie thought he was doing them a favor and it probably cost
them
> >> 5 times his salary.
> >
> >I just checked, etinc.com isn't in the databases I could find.  If
> >you're not in favor of efforts to limit spam, well, I think you're
> >categorizing yourself.
> >
> >If you think that college student misadministered the system, then that
> >is what you should complain about.
>
> Not any more...we upgraded sendmail a while ago. I guess they took us off
> automagically, becuase I never bothered to notify them.
>
> I don't *know* it was a college student...I was just saying that a lot of
> the people that companies have administering their servers/routers dont
> know much about the business implications of doing something that they
> think is "cool".

The may be true so far as it goes, Dennis, but anything that hurts
business is not automatically bad, not if the business involved is
performing (or allowing to be performed) acts generally deemed by the
public to be anti-social or inimical to human society.  It's a gray
area, given, but your response makes me feel your position is "if it
hurts business, it's bad" and I thoroughly disagree.  It's ridiculously
easy to find examples of this.

Don't use a broad brush, then ... if you disagree with something, either
be specific or be painted as evil yourself.


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Chuck Robey                 | Interests include any kind of voice or data
chuckr@picnic.mat.net       | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1  |
Greenbelt, MD 20770         | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current.
(301) 220-2114              |
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