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Date:      Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:23:10 -0500 (EST)
From:      "Mr. K." <bsd@inbox.org>
To:        Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
Cc:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Please help spread the CVSup mirror load more evenly
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0001241020040.12883-100000@inbox.org>
In-Reply-To: <v0422080cb4b1fdf66ce1@[195.238.1.121]>

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Why don't we use the download accelerator 
(http://www.lidan.com/) methodology and make simultaneous connections to
the top 4 sites as discovered by ping?  :)

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 5:23 PM -0800 2000/1/21, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> 
> >  You don't even need to modify the protocol.  Just write a small
> >  tcp program that times the 3 way handshake on open to all the
> >  servers, take the one with the sortest time and spit that out
> >  for the user to stuff in his cvsupfile.
> 
> 	Ahh, yes.  But, the latency between the "master" server and the 
> "slave" servers does not necessarily equal the latency between the 
> cvsup client and the master or slave servers, and you want to be able 
> to make intelligent choices based on more than *just* the network 
> latency between the cvsup client and the servers -- if one is very 
> close, but that one happens to be cvsup1 and is overloaded most of 
> the time, then you want to be able to choose other servers that might 
> not be quite so close, but which are much more lightly loaded.
> 
> 
> 	Small numbers of "test" data packets tell you very little about 
> what the overall network performance is going to be like between any 
> two sites -- you may have lots of highly bursty traffic on one route 
> and a slightly higher latency but much more consistent level of 
> traffic on another route.
> 
> 	You may have small packets flying through a particular network, 
> but when you go to actually transfer any data, you find that you get 
> huge percentages of drops on large packets.
> 
> 	You may have a very lightly loaded 64KB line between you and your 
> first choice which shows up fantastically well on the "test" (both 
> low latency and low quantity of drops), but which starts to suck huge 
> boulders when it comes to actually transferring data.
> 
> 
> 	There are a lot of factors to be considered, and it seems to me 
> that the best thing is to have some more intelligence in the client, 
> so that it can do at least a first approximation as to network 
> latency and available bandwidth between it and the various servers, 
> and then this could be augmented by additional information that could 
> be provided by cooperating servers that feed each other information 
> about the status of the overall network from their perspective, 
> etc....
> 
> -- 
>    These are my opinions and should not be taken as official Skynet policy
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