Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2020 11:42:52 -0800 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: "Peter Czanik (pczanik)" <Peter.Czanik@oneidentity.com> Cc: Franco Fichtner <franco@lastsummer.de>, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, FreeBSD Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Message-ID: <202011071942.0A7Jgqcn056298@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0@SA0PR19MB4272.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <202011071539.0A7FdMmj052814@slippy.cwsent.com> <6E6B60B0-DE59-4F2B-B612-07F7B505AF58@lastsummer.de> <202011071725.0A7HP9rm003300@slippy.cwsent.com>, <A88D4D7F-89E2-4F39-9CF6-946FEDB27337@lastsummer.de> <SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0@SA0PR19MB4272.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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This settles it. I'll start the migration this week. Expiry will be end of year. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: <cy@nwtime.org> Web: https://nwtime.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. In message <SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0@SA0PR19MB4272.namprd19.pr od. outlook.com>, "Peter Czanik (pczanik)" writes: > --_000_SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0SA0PR19MB4272namp_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi, > > I try to address all questions, points in a single e-mail... > > syslog-ng vs. rsyslog: yeah, rsyslog is the default syslog implementation i= > n most Linux distributions. It has a historical reason: syslog-ng is open s= > ource originally, but once the commercial variant was released a decade lat= > er, developers needed to sign a CLA for a while, what Fedora and Debian did= > not like. The CLA was quickly removed after I joined syslog-ng, but decisi= > ons were already made by the distros. Based on user feedback from both camp= > s: it's easier to put together a simple config in rsyslog, but once things = > get complicated a syslog-ng configuration is easier to develop and maintain= > . On the feature side they are more or less the same. What I see, that rsys= > log is often used on the client side, while servers use syslog-ng. The two = > largest syslog-ng platforms are RHEL/CentOS and FreeBSD. > > syslog-ngNN ports: changing it to a single sysutils/syslog-ng is OK with me= > , depends on the demands of the FreeBSD community. On the Linux side I got = > strong complaints even when I tried to delete five years old packages for R= > HEL and SLES and for long EoL Fedora releases... > > @version: well, it's a mixed bag. Sometimes defaults change, features are r= > emoved, etc. The version number here makes sure that syslog-ng knows for wh= > ich version a configuration was originally prepared and can give warnings, = > suggestions, based on this information. In some cases you can avoid a failu= > re with this version number (I'm only aware of this on openSUSE, which used= > an undocumented syntax that was removed). So, yes, it can be useful, but i= > t can also be a PITA. In most cases it is safe to remove it. Or just leave = > it alone, as starting with syslog-ng 3.26 (or 3.25) syslog-ng does not warn= > about the version number any more, except when there is an incompatible ch= > ange. > > Bye, > CzP > > Peter Czanik (CzP) <peter.czanik@oneidentity.com> > Balabit (a OneIdentity company) / syslog-ng upstream > https://syslog-ng.com/community/ > https://twitter.com/PCzanik > > ________________________________ > From: Franco Fichtner <franco@lastsummer.de> > Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 18:46 > To: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> > Cc: Peter Czanik (pczanik) <Peter.Czanik@oneidentity.com>; FreeBSD Ports <f= > reebsd-ports@freebsd.org> > Subject: Re: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not fol= > low guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sen= > der and know the content is safe. > > > > On 7. Nov 2020, at 6:25 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote= > : > > > > That's not needed. The proposal is to replace the syslog-ng port with the > > contents of syslog-ng329 and deprecate the others. Those using > > sysutils/syslog-ng will see no change. Those using older versions will ne= > ed > > to replace syslog-ngNN with simply syslog-ng. > > Actually I was referring to this: > > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.= > com%2Ffreebsd%2Ffreebsd-ports%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fsysutils%2Fsyslog-ng329%2Ff= > iles%2Fsyslog-ng.conf.sample%23L1&data=3D04%7C01%7CPeter.Czanik%40oneid= > entity.com%7Ccef4a3e509b24d86051b08d8834518cf%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec6= > 06603%7C0%7C1%7C637403680090752323%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw= > MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=3DqwnHa= > e2mELjvjsuiFoCGlhQ0izfDKLkYlNfFOtOTnGU%3D&reserved=3D0 > > Also a question for Peter. > > > Cheers, > Franco > > --_000_SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0SA0PR19MB4272namp_ > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <html> > <head> > <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > > > <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= > ttom:0;} </style> > </head> > <body dir=3D"ltr"> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > Hi,</div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > I try to address all questions, points in a single e-mail...</div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > syslog-ng vs. rsyslog: yeah, rsyslog is the default syslog implementation i= > n most Linux distributions. It has a historical reason: syslog-ng is open s= > ource originally, but once the commercial variant was released a decade lat= > er, developers needed to sign a > CLA for a while, what Fedora and Debian did not like. The CLA was quickly = > removed after I joined syslog-ng, but decisions were already made by the di= > stros. Based on user feedback from both camps: it's easier to put together = > a simple config in rsyslog, but > once things get complicated a syslog-ng configuration is easier to develop= > and maintain. On the feature side they are more or less the same. What I s= > ee, that rsyslog is often used on the client side, while servers use syslog= > -ng. The two largest syslog-ng platforms > are RHEL/CentOS and FreeBSD.<br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > syslog-ngNN ports: changing it to a single sysutils/syslog-ng is OK with me= > , depends on the demands of the FreeBSD community. On the Linux side I got = > strong complaints even when I tried to delete five years old packages for R= > HEL and SLES and for long EoL Fedora > releases...<br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > @version: well, it's a mixed bag. Sometimes defaults change, features are r= > emoved, etc. The version number here makes sure that syslog-ng knows for wh= > ich version a configuration was originally prepared and can give warnings, = > suggestions, based on this information. > In some cases you can avoid a failure with this version number (I'm only a= > ware of this on openSUSE, which used an undocumented syntax that was remove= > d). So, yes, it can be useful, but it can also be a PITA. In most cases it = > is safe to remove it. Or just leave > it alone, as starting with syslog-ng 3.26 (or 3.25) syslog-ng does not war= > n about the version number any more, except when there is an incompatible c= > hange.<br> > </div> > <div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > Bye,</div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > CzP<br> > </div> > <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= > : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> > <br> > </div> > <div id=3D"Signature"> > <div> > <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p= > t; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> > <div> > <div> > <div dir=3D"ltr">Peter Czanik (CzP) <peter.czanik@oneidentity.com><br= > > > Balabit (a OneIdentity company) / syslog-ng upstream<br> > <a href=3D"https://syslog-ng.com/community/" target=3D"_blank">https://sysl= > og-ng.com/<wbr>community/</a><br> > <a href=3D"https://twitter.com/PCzanik" target=3D"_blank">https://twitter.c= > om/PCzanik</a></div> > </div> > </div> > <br> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > <div id=3D"appendonsend"></div> > <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> > <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= > yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Franco Fichtner <f= > ranco@lastsummer.de><br> > <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 7, 2020 18:46<br> > <b>To:</b> Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com><br> > <b>Cc:</b> Peter Czanik (pczanik) <Peter.Czanik@oneidentity.com>; Fre= > eBSD Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org><br> > <b>Subject:</b> Re: </font> > <div> </div> > </div> > <div class=3D"BodyFragment"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;= > "> > <div class=3D"PlainText">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the= > organization. Do not follow guidance, click links, or open attachments unl= > ess you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<br> > <br> > <br> > > On 7. Nov 2020, at 6:25 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com&= > gt; wrote:<br> > ><br> > > That's not needed. The proposal is to replace the syslog-ng port with = > the<br> > > contents of syslog-ng329 and deprecate the others. Those using<br> > > sysutils/syslog-ng will see no change. Those using older versions will= > need<br> > > to replace syslog-ngNN with simply syslog-ng.<br> > <br> > Actually I was referring to this:<br> > <br> > <a href=3D"https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2= > F%2Fgithub.com%2Ffreebsd%2Ffreebsd-ports%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fsysutils%2Fsyslo= > g-ng329%2Ffiles%2Fsyslog-ng.conf.sample%23L1&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7CPeter= > .Czanik%40oneidentity.com%7Ccef4a3e509b24d86051b08d8834518cf%7C91c369b51c9e= > 439c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C637403680090752323%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e= > yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&am= > p;amp;sdata=3DqwnHae2mELjvjsuiFoCGlhQ0izfDKLkYlNfFOtOTnGU%3D&amp;reserv= > ed=3D0">https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2= > Fgithub.com%2Ffreebsd%2Ffreebsd-ports%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fsysutils%2Fsyslog-n= > g329%2Ffiles%2Fsyslog-ng.conf.sample%23L1&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7CPeter.Cz= > anik%40oneidentity.com%7Ccef4a3e509b24d86051b08d8834518cf%7C91c369b51c9e439= > c989c1867ec606603%7C0%7C1%7C637403680090752323%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJW= > IjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&a= > mp;sdata=3DqwnHae2mELjvjsuiFoCGlhQ0izfDKLkYlNfFOtOTnGU%3D&amp;reserved= > =3D0</a><br> > <br> > Also a question for Peter.<br> > <br> > <br> > Cheers,<br> > Franco<br> > </div> > </span></font></div> > </body> > </html> > > --_000_SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0SA0PR19MB4272namp_--
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