Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:47:17 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, gljennjohn@gmail.com, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>, src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-ID: <20211022194717.8c94d2fa302339b55882497f@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: <202110221704.19MH4FDn075994@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <20211021192020.6dcb95c1@ernst.home> <202110221704.19MH4FDn075994@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:03:05 -0700 > > Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:02:14AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > S> > laptops. If somebody is using vt(4) instead of X on a laptop, then > > > S> > > > S> This change disable bell in X11 too. > > > S> This is completly disable speaker bell. > > > > > > Are you sure? I haven't yet upgraded my desktop to this point, so can't test. > > > How is that possible that vt(4) affects X11? > > > > > > > He could be right. I don't use vt, but syscons also has a bell setting: > > sysctl -d hw.syscons.bell hw.syscons.bell: enable bell > > > > With this set to 1 a ^G in xterm results in a beep. After setting the > > sysctl to 0 a ^G in xterm produces no sound at all. > > I also suspect that this kills "visual bell" which is a bright > flash of the terminal. There is no visual bell in vt(4) and this doesn't affect xterm*visualBell obviously. But yes this does affect the bell in xterm (and so I guess any other terminal that default to have a bell) but that was also the point of this change. > We need to STOP these "I dont like the 20 year old defaults, > so I am going to change them to what I like and use" It is NOT > forward progress on making a better system, it is tilting at > defaults, very long established defaults, that should probably > just be left alone. It's not "I don't like", it's "We don't like". If we can't change FreeBSD default to what most of our users want I don't know why we're still working on this OS. > I dont like a lot of the defaults on a lot of OS's, I tweak them > to my needs. FreeBSD keeps tweaking things such that I have to > tweak my tweaks to keep things as I see fit. THAT IS A POLA VIOLATION! > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org <meme of malcom in the middle>The future is now, old man</meme> -- Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> <manu@freebsd.org>
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