Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> To: Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-stable@freebsd.org, svn-src-stable-11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r337826 - stable/11/bin/ls Message-ID: <201808151736.w7FHaPiw048871@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <CACNAnaFVSSWEeftK54DyQHd6d_Dk5bLtF6a17MzwBz3fLjftbA@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Rodney W. Grimes > <freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > >> On 14 August 2018 at 21:41, Rodney W. Grimes > >> <freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > >> >> Author: kevans > >> >> Date: Wed Aug 15 01:29:02 2018 > >> >> New Revision: 337826 > >> >> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/337826 > >> >> > >> >> Log: > >> >> MFC r337506: ls(1): Enable colors with COLORTERM is set in the environment > >> >> > >> >> COLORTERM is the de facto standard, while CLICOLOR is generally specific to > >> >> FreeBSD and ls(1). > >> > > >> > I have already seen one "Who enabled %&*@(#$@) colored ls output in 12?" > >> > Seems that the defaults for xfce terminal is to have COLORTERM. > >> > >> If xfce's default is to request colour via the de-facto environment > >> variable then we should generally honour it -- the answer to the > >> %&*@(#$@) question is "you did, via your terminal's default." > > > > And I pointed that out to them, but it is kinda a POLA, people have > > had to take explicit action to get colorls, that is no longer true > > and that suprises them when they see it. > > > > I find the POLA angle kind-of hard to buy, though. Nothing in the base > system offers a way for the default behavior of ls(1) to be altered, > and this whole change is only honoring a de-facto standard for > indicating that a colored terminal is supported and desired. > > IMO, one should be aware of how the software they use is affecting > their environment and the kinds of repercussions these changes may > have. This is hardly the first bit of software that respects > COLORTERM, and it surely won't be the last (in general... no specific > plans here). =( You can say it isnt a POLA, but the user was asstonished when it happened and made the comment, hence forth, it is POLA. Personally, I dont care, I do not use xfce's default terminal, I specificially invoke xterm. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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