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Date:      Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:30:29 +0100
From:      Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:        Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net>
Subject:   Re: this spam
Message-ID:  <3C043025.2040900@cybertron.tmfweb.nl>
References:  <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> <3C04120C.58F8D495@lmco.com> <20011128000550.A1687@raggedclown.net>

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Cliff Sarginson wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am not entirely sure it is the job of an ISP to filter
> out spam. On the other hand if they end up with pissed-off
> or offended customers, or they are a small outfit with
> limited resources they may want to. I know my ISP will shut
> you down in 5 minutes if they see you are an open-relay.


Most ISP have rules about this.


> 
> There are tools to help limit spam, maybe in an imperfect
> world that is the best we can do. Use blacklists, have mail
> reject rules in your MTA, use procmail, make sure you cannot 
> be used as a relay.


Making sure you don't allow others to send spam is a good idee. I find 
that perventing others to send spam to you is not posible. Since parts 
of the header (e.g. To, cc, ect.) are most often forged. The only real 
thing that can be done about this is sending a complained to the ISP. 
Make sure you include all headers along with the body.

I feel that not every spam email sould be reported to the ISP. For ad I 
usaly do send a report. The headers are most often forged ligthly. 
Sending a compained to the users them self don't work and can cause more 
spam.

For normal user SPAM, i usaly send a complained to the user. The headers 
are most ofthen not forged and it does often work. (Much more civile 
this way)

A way that you can track down the ISP is thwough www.abuse.net 
(web-lookup or 'whois -h whois.abuse.net <I>hostname</I>', i have made a 
alias for this) If this doesn't work, then you can always use the 
standert whois lookup or a tracerout to find the ISP.

> 
> I know some people think this is OT for this kind of list,
> but it is a problem for anyone on any list, and I feel it is
> legitimate to try and spread ideas on fighting this horrendous
> waste of time and resources.


This is OT in the way that it has nothing to do with FreeBSD. However it 
has to do with the mailing list it seld. I like to see the number of 
SPAM seeing reduced. What would be instesting is to see what can be done 
at the FreeBSD hubs to reduce spam.


Alex


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