Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:42:50 +0200 From: Torsten Zuehlsdorff <freebsd@toco-domains.de> To: Charlie Li <vishwin@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> Cc: Joseph Mingrone <jrm@freebsd.org>, Ruslan Makhmatkhanov <rm@freebsd.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 988da7290c99 - main - ./UPDATING: mention the python default version change Message-ID: <a8bc8f14-3975-4c15-918d-0088d476358a@toco-domains.de> In-Reply-To: <c0002bdd-92e3-4052-a53f-4ad39a9b3707@freebsd.org> References: <202405291420.44TEKdBd073352@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <pupckib4hcq2tiqesuyxfodzz7q6rcjnzn6625qhsazzehaotd@gxm54qjiyxuq> <86frtu6rxz.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <xu6munpe2xqir4iwk7k4suprjvxym7dob5ebqz5yodphbaxe56@cf63vkgioyqe> <8d5be29c-94a7-4edd-bc61-c50e8b0ff754@freebsd.org> <lri7xdt6hkxf2udachtafxqijaa7lp2kbshhv7mi7ityqkc3mj@h63p5raqu4yr> <c0002bdd-92e3-4052-a53f-4ad39a9b3707@freebsd.org>
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On 04.06.24 06:20, Charlie Li wrote: > Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> I am not saying that allowing concurrent version is a bad idea, but in >> that area >> php packaging does a better job, I have no idea what is supposed to >> make sense >> in the end, but the current situation is clearly unfriendly to any >> package >> manager. >> > I actually have this issue with explicitly installed PHP packages here too. Indeed. But after years of seeing FreeBSD usage parallel to various Linux Distributions and Windows Versions: i like the FreeBSD way best. While it involve stuff like pkg set (or a simple script like grep the pkg packages, do a search & replace and than do pkg delete + add), it is a consistent way you can also automate. PHP Updates are very smooth in comparison to other plattforms. Also it seems like a crazy "i can not believe this" fact, when we say, we have actually all supported PHP versions with just a simple "install it". No Third-Party-Repos, no compilation, no hacking. >> There is a reason why on most linux distros they do support only one >> major >> version of python for packaging and encourage users to use virtual env >> or alike >> for other versions, I am not saying we should do that, but we need to >> find >> something that is upgrade friendly and do not rely on hacks like pkg set. >> > virtualenvs are encouraged in the Python ecosystem regardless of any > operating system distribution considerations, but the ability to use > different Python interpreter/distribution versions still hinge on having > them and requisite packages available in the system. Indeed! Best, Torsten
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