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Date:      Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@phone.net>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: manpages vs. reality
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908201300000.8565-100000@guru.phone.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908202115070.479-100000@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de>

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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, O. Hartmann wrote:
:->Well, I posted a lot about this problem ... 
:->
:->Manpages for /etc/group says, that each user is uniquely defined in a 
:->group by adding its group number via vipw in master.passwd. But this is not
:->true, you must put each user separately into the groupmember field of
:->the group in /etc/group. Why? Can anybody explain, why this is fact but
:->the manpages are not pointing to that? 

My copy of the /etc/group man page says:

     A user is automatically in a group if that group was speci-
     fied in their /etc/passwd entry and does not need to be added to that
     group in the /etc/group file.

I'm not sure how that corresponds with what you said. In any case,
there are two ways someone can get into a group: that group number can
be the one listed for that user in the group field of the
/etc/password file, *or* they can be listed as being in that group in
/etc/group. The page doesn't say anything about vipw; but using that
(or other tools) to change the group in /etc/passwd isn't going to
change things in /etc/group.

This happens at login time; if you change any of them, you have to get
a new login session to see the changes.

The manual page might need to be clearer, but I'm not sure how to do
that.

	<mike



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