Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 01:18:54 +0300 From: "Christos Margiolis" <christos@freebsd.org> To: "Matthew Grooms" <mgrooms@shrew.net> Cc: <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: <DK4LJJXHW21L.8WEP2JENAWZN@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <bbcc6833-6af0-4dba-ba6a-155aad5fafd5@shrew.net> References: <hkttyyfmuguexmliuhmg@ewtn> <sirudbjwrqwlhpzjpfqf@abqv> <20260720202746.45869b21@rimwks.local> <qwepsnprfvciwlmciezl@sxog> <bbcc6833-6af0-4dba-ba6a-155aad5fafd5@shrew.net>
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On Mon Jul 20, 2026 at 8:59 PM EEST, Matthew Grooms wrote:
> On 7/20/26 12:38, vermaden wrote:
>>>> I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> % mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=+0.05
>>> Just use gtk-mixer, avail in ports.
>>>
>>> In recent years, I haven't noticed any bugs
>>> in the operation of the OSS.
>> I do it by scripts anyway ... but I needed to rewrite all my scripts because of these changes ... and this change in syntax was bad from at least three perspectives:
>>
>> 1. It happened in 'point' release (like from .2 to .3) - not in new major release - breaking stuff for EVERYONE.
>>
>> 2. It happened without any reason - the tool could do the same with old syntax underneath - the new syntax does not introduce anything new - it just has different syntax.
>>
>> 3. As FreeBSD (at least up to some time ago) cherished the POLA principle WHY the old syntax could not been also kept and accepted?
>>
>> ... and yes - I also think that 'gtk-mixer' works well - so is 'dsbmixer' tool.
>
>
> It offered something new to me: Confusion. In the past, I'd need to
> fiddle with the mixer once a year and it was more or less obvious how it
> worked. The last time, I just gave up.
>
> -Matthew
I am genuinely curious. What is so confusing, and even worse, more
obvious with old syntax than the new, to the point that you would give
up?
Christos
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