Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:48:05 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" <rcarter@pinyon.org> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: "Russell L. Carter" <rcarter@pinyon.org>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG, rcarter@pinyon.org Subject: Re: JFS and IBM Message-ID: <20000205034805.AC2DE5B@pinyon.org> In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> of "Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:46:36 %2B1030." <20000205134636.J9737@freebie.lemis.com>
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%On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 20:07:15 -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: %>> [moved to -fs] %>> %>> On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 15:28:34 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: %>>> Bill Pechter wrote: %>>>> %>>>> Folks, while some of us were at Linux expo talking about journaling file %>>>> systems and *BSD, IBM released jfs to the GPL. %>>>> %>>>> Is there anyone working on this as a gpl'd add-in to *BSD? %>>> %>>> You apparently haven't noticed the war of words going on on %>>> http://daily.daemonnews.org/ on this very topic? I think this is going %>>> to be our most "popular", or at least commented on, article to date. %>> %>> There was also a discussion in -fs, so I'm following up there. %>> %>>> Greg Lehey has downloaded the code and looked at it. Despite my %>>> cheering and enthusiasm, he reports that we should wait until he %>>> actually produces something to pronounce him a hero. ;^) %>> %>> Damn it, you keep mentioning my name. I'm certainly no hero based on %>> what I've done or propose to do. For an update, taking in what phk %>> had to say the other day: this is the OS/2 version, which has had the %>> dependencies on the VM system removed. I consider it likely that, as %>> a result, performance will be disappointing. Also I haven't seen any %>> documentation which explains how it works. Given the size of the code %>> base, this would make it quite a challenge. Maybe somebody else more %>> stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hheroic than I wants to have a go. %> %> Look folks, is it too hard to understand that an OS/2 filesystem %> released as "Opensource" might not make any sense at all to burn up %> anybody's time, % %That's not clear. It might make sense, and I hope somebody takes a %look. % %> Does it look like the IBM mamaship is finally clueing into %> marketing? %> %> Why yes it does! % %There are some very good reasons to start with the OS/2 version. It's %a lot easier to integrate into Linux, since it doesn't have all the %hooks for the IBM VM system. The performance might still be %acceptable on Linux. And I could be wrong, and it might even be very %good. Hmm, maybe your optimism is realistic. Ok, when something like this shows up, I like to place a money bet. Let's make it fun. I bet $50 (to Greg) that this is going to go nowhere and that 2 years from now (Fri Feb 4 20:45:24 MST 2000) you will not be able to download or buy a Linux OS (or FreeBSD OS) that can sustain "large" 10 MB/s read or write performance to the native JFS-based filesystem using some native, derived version of JFS to any commercially available persistent hardware endsystem not composed of "RAM". I'll be gracious on the definition of "RAM". As always, I hope I lose :-). Cheers, Russell %> Does it look like the thundering herds (hurds) are going to run this %> into another half to several megabytes a day of mindless drivel on %> the usual ramifications of a nonexistent technology on a nonexistent %> marketplace... %> %> Why yes it does! % %I wouldn't call it nonexistent technology. It's very real, as is the %marketplace. % %> So get over it. And lay off Greg. % %Thanks, but I don't think anybody's picking on me. % %Greg %-- %Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key %See complete headers for address and phone numbers % % To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message
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