Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:34:04 +0100 From: krad <kraduk@gmail.com> To: Matt Bettinger <iamatt@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= <gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <CALfReyfWJd7YOi_Y8Mq=Q-xndLueF7vU5xwc1w_YGyM1a9DQZA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAEeRwNV3bJrM5KrGObZtNvSY1mVMW9jz2M4t2m2SSq_vvWmZ5w@mail.gmail.com> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> <CALfReycHtSi5GXgFZihrTsgDG6wc-ZfkYmQu7AjQmOKdeXntrA@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeRwNV3bJrM5KrGObZtNvSY1mVMW9jz2M4t2m2SSq_vvWmZ5w@mail.gmail.com>
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that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not the way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. We should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is reaching out. On 18 July 2014 15:10, Matt Bettinger <iamatt@gmail.com> wrote: > Back in the day we didn't have Google to ask the oracle for cut and paste > answers. If the man page is accurate that should be good enough. > On Jul 18, 2014 8:26 AM, "krad" <kraduk@gmail.com> wrote: > >> this is also another important point. If you go onto google and search o= n >> how to do this and that under pf, you get a mix of freebsd, and openbsd >> stuff coming up. I havent analysed it but i think the majority of the >> stuff >> is openbsd related. THerefore I find some nice solution to my problem, >> only >> to find out a bit later I cant use it because its not supported under >> freebsd. This is anoying, but more importantly confuses new sysadmins an= d >> puts them off adopting pf and possibly a bsd at all. >> >> >> On 18 July 2014 14:12, Gerrit K=C3=BChn <gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:06:45 +0400 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org> >> > wrote about Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have on= e >> ?: >> > >> > GS> The pf mailing list is about a dozen of active people. Yes, they a= re >> > GS> vocal on the new syntax. But there also exist a large number of >> common >> > GS> FreeBSD users who simply use pf w/o caring about syntax and readin= g >> pf >> > GS> mailing list. If we destroy the syntax compatibility a very large >> > GS> population of users would be hurt, for the sake of making a dozen >> > GS> happy. >> > >> > I have thought about this for some time now, and I think I do not >> agree. I >> > do remember quite well when OpenBSD changed from ipf to pf, and I had = to >> > come up with new rules files. Yes, this is a burden for people >> maintaining >> > these systems, but if the thing is well documented and comes with >> benefits >> > (like staying in sync with other developers, allowing new features >> etc.) I >> > doubt that many people will really be minding this. >> > >> > >> > cu >> > Gerrit >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >
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