Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:19:54 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com> To: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, gljennjohn@gmail.com, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-ID: <CAJ5_RoC8jtwPrTmuEWGvBNzieJRttvR4BzAY5LFYovZg4pu=2w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20211022194717.8c94d2fa302339b55882497f@bidouilliste.com> References: <20211021192020.6dcb95c1@ernst.home> <202110221704.19MH4FDn075994@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20211022194717.8c94d2fa302339b55882497f@bidouilliste.com>
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:47 AM Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) > "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > We need to STOP these "I dont like the 20 year old defaults, > > so I am going to change them to what I like and use" It is NOT > > forward progress on making a better system, it is tilting at > > defaults, very long established defaults, that should probably > > just be left alone. > > It's not "I don't like", it's "We don't like". If we can't change > FreeBSD default to what most of our users want I don't know why we're > still working on this OS. > **We** can change the defaults. But to know that we, as a community, have consensus to make the change, we need to have a conversation. Having that conversation before making the change seems like a much better [*] approach than presenting the change as a fait accompli and waiting for dissent. In other words, I am okay with changing the default (I personally do not feel a need for it), but am unhappy that there was no conversation about it other than a phabricator review that was apparently only open for about a day. -Ben * I have some other, more precise, adjectives I would like to use, but I think the risk of them being interpreted harmfully is too high to use them in this forum. I'm happy to talk more in some other forum if you want.
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