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Date:      Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:08:32 -0400
From:      AlanE <alane@geeksrus.net>
To:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        Mikhail Teterin <mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com>, Alan Eldridge <alane@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, Will Andrews <will@csociety.org>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/x11-wm Makefile ports/x11-wm/mosfet-liquid         Makefile distinfo pkg-comment pkg-descr pkg-plist
Message-ID:  <20020919190831.GA76922@wwweasel.geeksrus.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020919184751.GA74222@xor.obsecurity.org>
References:  <200209191831.g8JIVl3H009860@freefall.freebsd.org> <200209191444.38960.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020919184751.GA74222@xor.obsecurity.org>

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:47:52AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:44:38PM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote:
>> On Thursday 19 September 2002 02:31 pm, Alan Eldridge wrote:
>> = alane       2002/09/19 11:31:47 PDT
>> = 
>> =   Modified files:
>> =     x11-wm               Makefile 
>> =   Removed files:
>> =     x11-wm/mosfet-liquid Makefile distinfo pkg-comment pkg-descr 
>> =                          pkg-plist 
>> =   Log:
>> =   Mosfet has exited the OSS arena. This is now abandonware.
>> 
>> But the software did not "exit". I just installed it three days ago with
>> KDE 3.0.3. IMHO, this removal is premature and should only take place,
>> once incompatibilities with future KDEs (3.1?) warrant it.
>
>I tend to agree, and repeat my request for you to slow down with your
>removal of non-broken ports.  As long as mosfet-liquid works to a
>usable level, it should stay in the ports collection (hosted locally,
>if need be).

I disagree with this viewpoint. We have a release coming up, and kde
3.1, with which liquid is likely not to work (well, or at all), is close
upon us.

It is my opinion that if we ship it out on the CDs, then people will 
expect it to work, and when it breaks, for it to be upgraded or fixed,
something that I am neither willing nor capable of doing.

For this reason, I stand by my decision as maintainer to remove the port
so that it is not included on the ISOs and CDROMs that people will be
using until the next major release.

I can understand, at least in part, your position; if there wasn't a
freeze and CDROM release coming up, I probably would have left the port
intact. However, under the circumstances, I believe I have made the
right choice in preventing the distribution of abandoned software on our
release CDROM sets.

I can't prevent you from reverting my deletion, of course, but if you do
so, as current maintainer I must stipulate that you are agreeing to take
over maintainership and handle the myriad reports and complaints that
will come in, and keep coming, when it finally stops working right. If
you are willing to take on that responsibility, then by all means revert
my deletion and provide a place to host the files. 

I'll leave the decision up to you.

-- 
Alan Eldridge
Unix/C(++) IT Pro, 20 yrs, seeking new employment.
(http://wwweasel.geeksrus.net/~alane/resume.txt)
KDE, KDE-FreeBSD Teams (http://www.kde.org, http://freebsd.kde.org/)

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