Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:30:03 +0100 From: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> To: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> Cc: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>, FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? Message-ID: <CAHieY7ST9z90=oO92z21fXCXNnU6fAz3HxZ_ccBud4FtfeTsKA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2B1FSijet4G3nS97ZjA6jsZC=SJ5gKzxKxDyqkQUtasCi3Lw9A@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHieY7Q2hFoNiruGof81UuomFs5Z%2B6o186d_%2BY8w7JuoQWpitg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WNFWDUdGR6rboGVBojCx9USPi1oNOFQOw%2ByYOENUek5tQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijA6w%2BKmxuNcweH5txmKL70ObL9h1OrF_JzTt-JLkVrjA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7SFHAEQVdu75ffdpghXZzsxZqMXaKtxUFS0ZUYLM14yDA@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihg2Q_cnpxFpWaPn_M8qziCqMw=o7DWjYWXGR4RKki12w@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7Tmw0aqgVSmM5A5zC6ULW4dNANXCqGv8c=kxCzFF9Dh6g@mail.gmail.com> <c849e14b-a612-dc0b-e0a0-0586386aa1fa@redbarn.org> <CA%2B1FSijet4G3nS97ZjA6jsZC=SJ5gKzxKxDyqkQUtasCi3Lw9A@mail.gmail.com>
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--00000000000026833806106546e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 12:40=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.= com> wrote: > Excuse me. I'm not very experienced,but isn't the L4 or any other > microkernel a valid alternative to containers ? If I have understood > correctly how it works,it allows multiple instances of the various servic= es > implemented within the microkernel OS. How many instances can we have ? F= or > example in the L4 Linux kernel webpage it is explained that it can boot > FreeBSD in cooperation with Linux. It works like xen. WIth xen we can hav= e > multiple virtual machines. But xen today has been preferred to kvm. And > anyway,we always talk about monolithic kernels. So,I want to ask : is a > microkernel OS a valid alternative to the containers ? If it allows to ru= n > only some services of the "virtualized" os,why not use it ? Why not inves= t > effort and time to implement this solution as an alternative to the > containers that FreeBSD already has ? Personally I like the idea of seein= g > Linux and FreeBSD work together. > > IMHO, way beyond the scope of this thread. AFAIK neither Linux nor FreeBSD are microkernels. The original question is more like what would it take to run k8s natively using different jail managers like CBSD and BastilleBSD as drivers? Does it already exist? maybe: https://github.com/tnorlin/kubernetes What is the state? What are the limitations? etc. etc. --00000000000026833806106546e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 12:40=E2=80=AF= AM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com">marietto200= 8@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;= border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Excus= e me. I'm not very experienced,but isn't the L4 or any other microk= ernel a valid alternative to containers ? If I have understood correctly ho= w it works,it allows multiple instances of the various services implemented= within the microkernel OS. How many instances can we have ? For example in= the L4 Linux kernel webpage it is explained that it can=C2=A0boot FreeBSD = in cooperation with Linux. It works like xen. WIth xen we can have multiple= virtual machines. But xen today has been preferred to kvm. And anyway,we a= lways talk about monolithic kernels. So,I want to ask : is a microkernel OS= a valid alternative to the containers ? If it allows to run only some serv= ices of the "virtualized" os,why not use it ? Why not invest effo= rt and time to implement this solution as an alternative to the containers = that FreeBSD already has ? Personally I like the idea of seeing Linux and F= reeBSD work together. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">= <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>IMHO, way beyond the scope of th= is thread. AFAIK neither Linux nor FreeBSD are microkernels.=C2=A0</div><di= v><br></div><div>The original question is more like what would it take to r= un k8s natively using different jail managers like CBSD and BastilleBSD as = drivers?</div><div>Does it already exist? maybe:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://gi= thub.com/tnorlin/kubernetes">https://github.com/tnorlin/kubernetes</a></div= ><div>What is the state? What are the limitations?</div><div>etc. etc.</div= ><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div> --00000000000026833806106546e8--
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