Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:14:46 -0600 From: "Ben Kaduk" <minimarmot@gmail.com> To: "Mark Linimon" <linimon@lonesome.com> Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely <murray@freebsdmall.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/share/sgml includes.navdevelopers.sgml Message-ID: <47d0403c0602241514p22762213r2bc35baf97fb673b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20060224015854.GB16997@soaustin.net> References: <200602211929.k1LJTTAH060389@repoman.freebsd.org> <200602211556.34034.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060222011622.GB11099@freebsdmall.com> <1140617051.681.35.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20060222174523.GB64282@freebsdmall.com> <1140717189.681.22.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20060223193450.GA54855@freebsdmall.com> <20060224015854.GB16997@soaustin.net>
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On 2/23/06, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 11:34:50AM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > I am saying that is not a good solution without additional changes > > because that will lead to lots of different ways to get to the same > > material and will clutter the navigation of the website. > > I'm not 100% sure that having different ways to get to the same material > is really all that bad. However, I agree the navigation hierarchy should > be as clean as possible. > > > My proposals below describe ways to make this material accessible in > > fewer clicks than yours and with less clutter. > > I think we can all agree on these goals. > > > I want to add more direct links to the few useful items of information > > there that are not already available, instead of making people click > > through yet another layer to get to the policies documents and such > > that you speak of. > > As the author of the last re-architecting of the main "internal" page let > me say that I'm all for this. The work I did was IMHO necessary but > insufficient. It pushed a few things down one level (good) but did not > complete the refactoring (sigh). > > > Since there have never been links to this material from the main or > > other second level pages > > I thought there were other cross-links from elsewhere in the site? > > > I propose linking to the content you want, such as "Policies for > > FreeBSD Committers" prominently on the existing developer page. > > [...] When you click on "developers" from the front page you > > should get all information relevant for developers. Right now, it > > takes you immediately to the in progress development projects, which > > is too narrow. Some higher level information should be added to the > > top of that page with information about policies for committers (as > > you propose), and other information. The FreeBSD Development projects > > can be pushed down further or made a third level page instead of the > > second page prime link real estate of 'Developers' that it currently > > occupies. > > If we change "Developers" to "Development" I think pushing the projects > down makes more sense, and might shift the emphasis more towards the > process and the product (of interest to users) than the people (primarily > of interest to the people themselves). e.g. break the links up into > who/what/where/when: > > Development -> release engineering (when) > Development -> current projects (what) > Development -> developer policies (who) > Development -> development resources (where) > > The resources would probably only be of interest to current developers, > but it _might_ be to prospective developers. (I know that I read through > all those pages when I was figuring out if I wanted to get more involved.= ) > The policies IMHO are _definitely_ of interest to prospective developers. > > As for the part about "obsolete/misleading information", again IMHO, that > stuff just needs to be either deleted or stuffed onto a page saying > "historical documents in need of updating." It makes the project look > less active than it is (nothing is more stupid than seeing a web page > referring to information from 2002 calling it "just released"). Yes, I > am willing to do some work on pruning those things (and also projects/, > which suffers from the same problem). > > Lastly, if there is information that truly needs to be internal to the > project (I am not aware of any), then it shouldn't be in the www/ tree > to start with, since anyone can cvs a copy of that tree. > > mcl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I like this idea -- I am considering becoming more involved with the FreeBSD project, and most of my decisions will be based on reading the website. Until the discussion in this thread, I did not even know that there were "internal" pages on the website, but they will be very helpful in my decision. Ben Kaduk
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