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Date:      Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:56:31 -0400 
From:      Chad Day <cday@beachassociates.com>
To:        "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org>
Subject:   System intrusion followup.
Message-ID:  <A8D9B16D2196D2118B6E00A0C9E307F423857D@beachpdc1.beachassociates.com>

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Well, just got off the phone with the FBI, and the local police department
came by and took a report last evening.

The FBI seemed pretty knowledgeable and really willing to go after the guy,
even though our estimated loss was only $2-3k, and they say they usually
require $10k.. but since the logs are pretty open and shut and it should be
an easy matter to persue, he said they are very likely to go ahead after the
guy.

One thing I did learn:  make sure you have a banner on your FTP login and
telnet login saying something like: "UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS PROHIBITED".  I
didn't have that.  :(   Rookie mistake, lesson learned.

The officer from the local police wasn't too technologically there, but I
was able to talk her through a lot of it and wrote down my version of what
happened, and she seemed to get the gist of everything after a while.

AOL, of course, did jack and you know what.  After being disconnected after
long hold periods, they kindly told me that they won't take any actions
regardless of evidence unless the police/FBI contacted them.  

<on the phone with FBI agent>

Me: "I have his IP address, he's coming from AOL, but they wouldn't give me
any more information."
FBI: "They'll give it to US."

Ahh, go FBI. :)

Anyway.. things I've learned that may be of value to other newbies..

Make sure you have ftp/telnet banners with usage policies
You can trust your users about as far as you can throw them
Keep very detailed ftp logs..  ftpd -l -l
and AOL sucks, but you knew that already.

Thanks to everyone who has emailed me with advice.

Chad Day
Beach Associates

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