Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 08:30:14 -0600 From: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> To: Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net> Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/tools tools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share Message-ID: <1527172214.32688.123.camel@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <5B05B419.2070709@grosbein.net> References: <201805231814.w4NIExZ9036362@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <5B05B419.2070709@grosbein.net>
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On Thu, 2018-05-24 at 01:34 +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 24.05.2018 1:14, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > > > > > > > If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the kernel, > > > > can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the kernel? > > > Depends on how many existing users we want to screw over. Not everyone > > > replaces all their hardware every 2 years, folks. > > And some of us buy 2 year old hardware because it is cheap, > > and serves our needs just fine. Even 8 year old servers > > make usable machines today. > My home router runs 11.1-STABLE/i386 using PC-104 form factor system from the year 2007 > having AMD Geode processor not capable of 64 bit mode, RAM maxed at 1GB (2x512MB DIMMs), > UDMA100 IDE/PATA controller and two 100Mbit vr(4) vlan-capable network interfaces. > > It can route/nat PPPoE connection at 100M wire speed, performs IPSEC at 33Mbit/s using > cryptodev/onboard AES accelerator while acting as WiFi access point same time > using multi-AP capable AR5212 ath(4) miniPCI (not miniPCI-E) card. > > And I love FreeBSD for that. > > At $work we still build and ship some products using industrial SBCs similar to what you describe (32-bit Geode processor and vr(4) network driver). That hardware is still available today (and not just on ebay). I think there's a big difference between removing an old driver because the hardware it supports was a marketplace failure and almost no units exist in the wild, and removing old drivers just because they're old. -- Ian
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