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Date:      Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:20:14 -0500
From:      Ken Wills <kenwills@tds.net>
To:        "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com>
Cc:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, Joshua Lee <yid@softhome.net>, dave@jetcafe.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail?
Message-ID:  <20020915232013.GA1669@zaptillion.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020907110109.T44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>
References:  <3D7A3376.A858DD79@mindspring.com> <20020907110109.T44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>

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+++ Neal E. Westfall [07/09/02 13:10 -0700]:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
> 
> > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote:
> > > > The scientific method never verifies, it only falsifies, so asking
> > > > that something be empirically verified, whether it be the old theory
> > > > of evolution, the current theory of puctuated equilibria, or that
> > > > gravity is related to the curvature of space, is asking for the
> > > > impossible.  Science can only demonstrate the invalidity of ideas,
> > > > not their validity.
> > >
> > > Okay, then lets stop pretending that creation is "unscientific" while
> > > evolution is "scientific".  Neither one of them can be falsified, so
> > > either *both* of them are scientific, or neither of them are.  You
> > > can't have your cake and eat it too.  If you claim an explanation
> > > must also be "naturalistic", I charge you with providing a
> > > justification for such arbitrariness.
> >
> > I guess we can keep on calling the currently accepted scientific
> > theory "evolution", even though that's not the correct name for it.
> >
> > With that in mind, the methods you use judge one theory vs. another
> > are:
> >
> > 1)	Are the theories predictive?
> 
> Evolution is not, as it relies on chance.  Chance, by definition,
> is unpredictable.

Flip a coin. I predict it will be heads or tails.

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