Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> Cc: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1211191027250.16070@nber6> In-Reply-To: <CAOgwaMt%2Bx5dfoMJbTiaGHQ9zf%2BA=0zXgU9konphBd0-g3bX6Ww@mail.gmail.com> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1211190745270.21594@nber6> <CAOgwaMt%2Bx5dfoMJbTiaGHQ9zf%2BA=0zXgU9konphBd0-g3bX6Ww@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: >> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 >>>> Polytropon articulated: >>>> >>>> Allow me to provide just one example: >>>>> >>>>> More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs >>>>> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/**20187.html<http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html>; >>>>> >>> >>> >> The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive >> in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is >> to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows >> uses. If a hardware or firmware specification requires feature X, >> but Windows doesn't use feature X, then vendors won't test feature >> X, and FreeBSD can't depend on it being functional. So it shouldn't >> be required by FreeBSD. It can be used, provided it isn't required. >> In this case it may mean that FreeBSD must identify itself as >> Windows, just as all browsers identify themselves as IE. >> > > > The above paragraph is completely meaningless , because neither *BSD , nor > Linux > is a marginal operating system . > > Please see > > http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ > > > Select from this "Operating System Family" > where in world's 500 super computers , Windows is on ONLY 3 computers , the > rest is > almost Linux 469 , Unix 20 , BSD-based 1 computers and others . > > http://www.asus.com/Static_WebPage/OS_Compatibility/ > http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf > contains Linux distributions supported in ASUS desktop boards . > > Some trade marked servers excluded , Linux and *BSD run on many server > hardware . > It isn't what vendors should care about. I agree they should care about FreeBSD. But by and large they don't. Arguing that they should serves no purpose. They have poor moral character, that is why they don't care and also why they are impervious to argument, except from large customers. The handful of server vendors that are exceptions do not detract from the force of my argument. daniel feenberg
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