Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:59:18 +0200 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org> Cc: Marcin Cieslak <saper@saper.info>, Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pinephone Pro Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSigj8zzYg5kJfhTdTXbLBZHKzmZDxDFFYot%2BquX_%2B-fKzg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86355fwwtv.fsf@peasant.tower.home> References: <66fee230-24eb-c7d8-fa30-4530409c0f5c@nomadlogic.org> <r8p634s5-n94r-003p-po15-r0n3233q8r25@fncre.vasb> <86ttxwvyv7.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <n55641qo-360o-o4s9-qr7p-597ns3rq5n1s@fncre.vasb> <86jzysvvuy.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <CA%2B1FSigpSnuozpC_N2k%2B50Oo2zw0_LEX0%2BcR2wWnPXe3G6D=qQ@mail.gmail.com> <86a5zovujm.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <CA%2B1FSii4qyERNAywhLjMmz%2Bfy4a8jRGy2b4SZvz2Hg6xErcn3g@mail.gmail.com> <86355fwwtv.fsf@peasant.tower.home>
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--000000000000c82af705f92405b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know. But the pro version is too expensive for me. :( On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org> wro= te: > > Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I see that the Pinebook pro is very expensive for me. Can I collaborate > with you if I bought this version of the PinePhone ? > > > > > https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-packag= e/ > > PinePhone (not Pro) is built on Allwinner A64 (4xCortex A53). Compare it > to Rockchip RK3399S (2xA72 + 4xA53) of the Pro version. There'll be > different device trees for those models and it's curious to me how > different those models are in terms of devices/drivers available in > FreeBSD. > > You can definitely buy it, but be prepared that we'll need to prioritize > if the actual development will be planned. Personally, I'd pay attention > to the Pro model. > > Regards, > Dmitry > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:57=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org= > wrote: > > > > Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > PineTime is interesting and it is in my budget. I could buy it and > then try to play a little bit with it. Maybe FreeBSD can be installed > > there ? > > > or Linux ? > > > > PineTime is built upon nRF52832 (64 MHz Cortex-M4) which doesn't have > > MMU. So, no FreeBSD or Linux can be used there (uCLinux is an exceptio= n, > > but 64 KiB of RAM isn't enough). > > > > Details: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=3D8112 > > > > Regards, > > Dmitry > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:29=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.= org> > wrote: > > > > > > Marcin Cieslak <saper@saper.info> writes: > > > > > > > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]] > > > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Dmitry Salychev wrote: > > > > > > > >>> I think you should be prepared to build your own image. > > > >>> With FreeBSD it is not very difficult (I find it easier than in > > > >>> the Linux world). > > > >>> > > > >>> Marcin > > > >>> > > > >>> [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]] > > > >> > > > >> I'd take their device tree and try to boot GENERIC kernel for > arm64 in > > > >> order to get an idea which drivers are missing: > > > >> > > > >> # dmesg | grep "no driver" | grep -v "disabled" > > > >> > > > >> Pete, are you going to keep your findings somewhere? I don't hav= e > > > >> PinePhone Pro at the moment, but would like to follow and can > support > > > >> with customizing your kernel. > > > > > > > > Now thinking about getting one, too.. Maybe wiki.freeebsd.org > could be the place > > > > to keep notes? > > > > > > > > saper > > > > > > > > [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]] > > > > > > Btw, it has almost nothing to do with the FreeBSD itself, but I > recently > > > received PineTime (both sealed one and a devkit) as a gift and can > say > > > that it's quite good in terms of PCB/assembling quality. Their > FreeRTOS-based > > > OS works surprisingly good as well. If the PinePhone Pro is similar= , > > > it's worth bringing FreeBSD there. > > > > > > +1 for notes kept at wiki.freebsd.org > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dmitry > > > > > > -- > > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > > -- > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > -- > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > --=20 Mario. --000000000000c82af705f92405b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I know. But the pro version is too expensive for me. :(<br= ></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"= >On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <<a href=3D"mail= to:dsl@mcusim.org">dsl@mcusim.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br> Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla= nk">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br> <br> > Hello,<br> ><br> > I see that the Pinebook pro is very expensive for me. Can I collaborat= e with you if I bought this version of the PinePhone ?<br> ><br> > <a href=3D"https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conv= ergence-package/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://pine64.com/p= roduct/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/</a><br> <br> PinePhone (not Pro) is built on Allwinner A64 (4xCortex A53). Compare it<br= > to Rockchip RK3399S (2xA72 + 4xA53) of the Pro version. There'll be<br> different device trees for those models and it's curious to me how<br> different those models are in terms of devices/drivers available in<br> FreeBSD.<br> <br> You can definitely buy it, but be prepared that we'll need to prioritiz= e<br> if the actual development will be planned. Personally, I'd pay attentio= n<br> to the Pro model.<br> <br> Regards,<br> Dmitry<br> <br> ><br> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:57=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <<a href=3D= "mailto:dsl@mcusim.org" target=3D"_blank">dsl@mcusim.org</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 > PineTime is interesting and it is in my budget. I could buy= it and then try to play a little bit with it. Maybe FreeBSD can be install= ed<br> >=C2=A0 there ?<br> >=C2=A0 > or Linux ?<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 PineTime is built upon nRF52832 (64 MHz Cortex-M4) which doesn&#= 39;t have<br> >=C2=A0 MMU. So, no FreeBSD or Linux can be used there (uCLinux is an ex= ception,<br> >=C2=A0 but 64 KiB of RAM isn't enough).<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 Details: <a href=3D"https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid= =3D8112" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://forum.pine64.org/show= thread.php?tid=3D8112</a><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 Regards,<br> >=C2=A0 Dmitry<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:29=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <= ;<a href=3D"mailto:dsl@mcusim.org" target=3D"_blank">dsl@mcusim.org</a>>= wrote:<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Marcin Cieslak <<a href=3D"mailto:saper@saper.info= " target=3D"_blank">saper@saper.info</a>> writes:<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]]<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Dmitry Salychev wrote:<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> I think you should be prepared to build = your own image.<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> With FreeBSD it is not very difficult (I= find it easier than in<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> the Linux world).<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> Marcin<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]]<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> I'd take their device tree and try to bo= ot GENERIC kernel for arm64 in<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> order to get an idea which drivers are missi= ng:<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> # dmesg | grep "no driver" | grep = -v "disabled"<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> Pete, are you going to keep your findings so= mewhere? I don't have<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> PinePhone Pro at the moment, but would like = to follow and can support<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> with customizing your kernel.<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Now thinking about getting one, too.. Maybe <a h= ref=3D"http://wiki.freeebsd.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">wiki.= freeebsd.org</a> could be the place<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > to keep notes?<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > saper<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]]<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Btw, it has almost nothing to do with the FreeBSD its= elf, but I recently<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 received PineTime (both sealed one and a devkit) as a= gift and can say<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 that it's quite good in terms of PCB/assembling q= uality. Their FreeRTOS-based<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 OS works surprisingly good as well. If the PinePhone = Pro is similar,<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 it's worth bringing FreeBSD there.<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 +1 for notes kept at <a href=3D"http://wiki.freebsd.o= rg" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">wiki.freebsd.org</a><br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Regards,<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Dmitry<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 -- <br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">hackaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://github.com/mcusi= m" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | <a href=3D"= http://patreon.com/salychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">patreon.c= om/salychev</a><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 -- <br> >=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast<br> >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"= _blank">hackaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://github.com/mcusim" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | <a href=3D"http://patr= eon.com/salychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">patreon.com/salychev= </a><br> <br> <br> -- <br> Open source software/hardware enthusiast<br> <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hac= kaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://github.com/mcusim" rel=3D"noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | <a href=3D"http://patreon.com/sal= ychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">patreon.com/salychev</a><br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --000000000000c82af705f92405b2--
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