Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:47:03 +1000 From: Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> To: blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> Cc: mmacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah <aliovx@gmail.com>, FreeBSD current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 Message-ID: <8f2d753e-3de3-5a2a-3298-9e1906c0f12e@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <CALM2mEnptunyiYUwoC3qj5KGCrEk80vkutjMdwBu%2BPo4U8mXZQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPrugNr9wN63ANjTYzyrHRegr9KTk_OSTLfrt%2BhktCnfKX=_mg@mail.gmail.com> <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <CAPrugNqV6k2QTuiLerAKLB_hV1hkZNi4MLNqKU7MtVnMhMfPQw@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfp2rf=5e-qTV=-4yFrLPugn0UhtYovXdesJWbRWAjdGTg@mail.gmail.com> <CALM2mEmJVqfeERTL4AWw7cY3YfPUY6TFw==1hzBqsDJNDde_Uw@mail.gmail.com> <20180825020424.GA16497@lonesome.com> <CALM2mEnptunyiYUwoC3qj5KGCrEk80vkutjMdwBu%2BPo4U8mXZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:04 AM Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:07:24AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: >>> Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're doing >> this >>> in your spare time. >> Let us know how whatever OS you wind up using instead works for you. >> I suggest you look for one that will put up with your constant harangues. >> >> There are very few people on the mailing lists as nasty and rude as >> yourself. It is tiresome, demotivating, and childish. Please go >> elsewhere. >> >> mcl >> > Your opinion has been noted but this issue isn't about me. > > It's about the Graphics devs coding themselves into a corner and looking > for an easy button so they can continue to feel good about their toy. > > There's a reason the changes they tried to force down the FreeBSD source > tree was reverted; It does not meet any standards of quality. > > I have no inside knowledge other than my ability to think clearly and it's > obvious that The FreeBSD team wanted to hint at them that their code > doesn't pass the sniff test. > > Instead of being whiny brats improve your code and have it work without > breaking compatibility with what has been working for quite a long time. > > Here's the play by play; > You guys push this mess contaminating the FreeBSD source tree, some long > standing user tries to update their machines and it blows up; > 1) Most will just leave > 2) Some will complain > 2a) You guys will say; Read UPDATING..... bleh bleh blen > They'll get aggravated, thereby aggravating people who came to this > platform for Stability. > > Users who actually use FreeBSD to get things done do not time to trawl > these mailing lists, they have real world problems to solve with real world > constraints. > > There are OS with kqueue and all those things it's called Linux; You can go > there and play w/ that stuff to your hearts content. > > If you want your code to get merged, make sure it follows the guidelines > and not break the systems for people who are already using the platform. > > Now, I understand hearing harsh criticism about your work might hurt your > feelings and all but here's the antidote; > work harder, > improve your code, > try again when your code quality improves. > > You guys cannot expect people to accept these kludges in their systems that > they run everyday. > > It's an open source project, you can't get mad because your code isn't > accepted, it's your jobs and engineers to do better not expect users to > jump through hoops to accommodate your subpar attempts at coding. > > This isn't about me, it's about the quality of code that you guys are > trying to submit. > Not much to disagree with what you say here.. because that's why I no longer work on using FreeBSD instead having created my own fork which is something I can call stable, that can be patched for security issues and something that is usable across my environment. The one thing who you should be aware of and what I do disagree with you over is who you are speaking to ML is a long standing 'old hat' of FreeBSD and someone I respect and I know would not be putting 'kludges' and substandard code into the trees... Direct your anger elsewhere, whilst still making valid points. Regards, Michelle -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/
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