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Date:      Sat, 19 May 2001 00:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Bzdik BSD <bzdik@yahoo.com>
To:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Opera ports to QNX but not BSD
Message-ID:  <20010519075004.61029.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010518215908.0476ec80@localhost>

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Are we done with Opera? ;-)


--- Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> wrote:
> At 09:52 PM 5/18/2001, Jamie Bowden wrote:
> 
> >:What assumptions are you making about Wyoming that would lead you
> to
> >:believe that this is the case?
> >
> >State population density (or lack thereof in this case).  I don't
> see any
> >indications that Wyoming is home to any major bandwidth either.
> 
> We are home to more bandwidth than practically any other state,
> because
> we are traversed by the I-25 and I-80 corridors plus the Union
> Pacific
> and Burlington Northern railroad lines. MOST of the coast-to-coast
> backbones go through Wyoming, and several nationwide providers have
> switching and regeneration centers here. The University of Wyoming,
> here in Laramie, is on Internet II and thus has massive amounts of
> bandwidth. Still more bandwidth comes through on large microwave 
> links. Broadwing just fired up a huge fiber backbone that runs
> within a mile of where I'm sitting.... We're looking at tapping in.
> 
> >I'm not trying to pick a fight here Brett, but you're not exactly in
> an
> >urban setting by any stretch of the imagination.  
> 
> An urban setting does not necessarily correlate with the availability
> of bandwidth. (Ask anyone in New York City who's tried to get DSL
> from Verizon!)
> 
> >I'd rather live in your setting personally, but this urban hell I
> inhabit
> >is where the jobs are.
> 
> Actually, Cyberspace is where the jobs are. That's where I work...
> the
> nice part is that I get to live here.
> 
> >:Plus hours of time redoing our spam filters, malware filters, mail
> >:aliases, virtual host and user tables, list servers.... Not such a
> small 
> >:task.
> >
> >Hours?  Computers were designed to do exactly the sort of data
> >manipulation you're talking about in an automated fashion.  The
> sed/awk
> >bits to convert one format to another (on a test box of course)
> shouldn't
> >take that long.  Testing is where hours come in, but those hours
> were well
> >spent if you will see a long term overall savings where your time is
> >concerned.
> 
> We do a lot of special things. We'd need to check to be sure that
> the scripts worked as intended.
> 
> >While I was by no means a top sendmail expert, I could and did
> regularly
> >edit the cf file without bothering to grab the manual.  I've never
> felt so
> >good about dumping something that I spent so much time acquiring
> skill 
> >with.
> 
> I've edited the cf file, but don't pretend to know every piece of
> magic
> it contains. I do as much as I can with m4 macros, which are
> themselves
> tricky but still more manageable.
> 
> Again, I'd have to learn about postfix or qmail before turning them
> loose on key servers. Much of the spam I receive seems to have been
> relayed by misconfigured qmail servers (though old versions of
> Exchange
> and Lotus Notes also rank high on the list).
> 
> --Brett
> 
> 
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