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Date:      Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:15:35 +0100 (CET)
From:      Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Andrzej Bialecki <abial@webgiro.com>, Andrew Hannam <famzon@bigfoot.com>, small@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: One disk vs Two Disk (was Re: New approach to picobsd)
Message-ID:  <200001240815.JAA38129@info.iet.unipi.it>
In-Reply-To: <20000124121624.C2643@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 24, 2000 12:16:24 pm"

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> > * current method of building: the way we do it right now, with crunchgen,
...
> Indeed.  I don't know how easy it would be to include ports in the
> framework, for example.

Some ports do work though, and for others i think we need some
extensions to crunchgen eg to tell it we need to use a different
Makefil

> > * incorporating more small, useful tools: recently I ported SASH which
> > will be great addition for setups like "router" floppy.
> 
> I think SASH might have great potential in the "first or only" disk.
> It would be really nice to have a single disk which could be extended
> by further disks if you wanted.  That would pave the way to a single
> "do it all" PicoBSD approach.

yesterday i tried to determine how much room is taken by the various
commands on the floppy image (this means after compression).  Most
small commands end up taking a fraction of a 4KB block (i.e. the
"df" output with and without those commands is the same):

	df, vm, cat, test, msg, swapon, echo, hostname, ln, w,
	reboot, swapon, du, tail, tee, vnconfig, arp, passwd,
	mount_nfs, traceroute, pwd_mkdb, dev_mkdb, dev_mkdb,
	minigzip (apparently, maybe zlib is already in by some
	other reason)

The shell takes (compressed) 36KB. "ee" takes 32KB.
So i think all in all sash does not give that much savings over
the standard set of commands.

We definitely need a small "vi" clone...

	cheers
	luigi
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