Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 01:24:33 +0200 From: vermaden <vermaden@interia.pl> To: Christos Margiolis <christos@freebsd.org>, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: <fftmevvleojopcaltzkt@pgij> In-Reply-To: <DK4LPW21PM12.QS3XD9FPQIG9@freebsd.org> References: <hkttyyfmuguexmliuhmg@ewtn> <sirudbjwrqwlhpzjpfqf@abqv> <BB2B6DFC-C489-4A02-A8C2-9CADD47F8373@nicolas-provost.fr> <CA%2B1FSih=zVZnGTryos6WvH_BzmyEw%2BTJeJ0Vx8jFd_83hEtFrA@mail.gmail.com> <AF664594-EDA9-4E71-8299-9E8E1E435F88@nicolas-provost.fr> <CA%2B1FSigAw7ajz-8yR1QLN7jnQAnDmqn9iYae341PSwjzvNOmUw@mail.gmail.com> <DK4LPW21PM12.QS3XD9FPQIG9@freebsd.org>
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> This is a gradual work so it cannot be > all committed in a massive commit. So keep it in CURRENT when it belongs ... why this half way done shit was spread into STABLE tree? > A quick look at mixer(8)'s man page would > suggest otherwise... The rewrite was > introduced in 14.0, and was never MFC'd to 13.*. As I said earlier - I do not remember exactly when the fuckup happened - I would gladly still use 13.x line ... but its EoL unfortunately ... the 14.x is my only choice now ... and its already broken as fuck. > This is wrong in all aspects. The > tool does introduce something new: > muting and unmuting. What is the difference between volume=0 and muting? ZERO. Do not find the counter arguments where they are not. Current audio/sound subsystem on FreeBSD is fucked up beautifully - more people then me confirmed that. > And you could not do the same with the old syntax (...) Great ... make ONE SMALL ADDITIONAL syntax for mute/unmute - but does not fuck up entire audio/sound stack on FreeBSD because of it. > I do not understand the obsession with POLA sometimes. Probably because FreeBSD is not your daily driver ... > At the moment I am the only consistent > sound developer on FreeBSD, and there > are a few more people who occasionally > contribute code, so resources are > naturally scarce. Instead of ranting > on MLs about how "tragic" sound is, > you could spend that time to file a > bug report so that we can try to > address your issues. Great, so you messed up EVERYTHING in FreeBSD audio/sound department hoping no one would notice? Why all these commits landed in STABLE in the first place? Build and modernize whatever the fuck You want in CURRENT tree - but stay away from STABLE where people expect things to actually work. I do not know what 'FreeBSD Foundation' told You when they started to fund Your work - which is more then OK for me - just keep it all in CURRENT before its complete. Spreading commits to STABLE make EVERYONE life measurable with all these unfinished and broken things. > This whole thread is entirely pointless Great ... so please tell me why entire audio/sound stack on FreeBSD that used to work flawlessly over DECADES is broken as fuck because of You? Looking at your ignorance level the only thing I want to tell You is the same thing that I can tell to 'Lennart Poettering' - which is 'get the fuck off my lawn!' - but I will not do that hoping that You may actually try to improve FreeBSD - just keep it in CURRENT before its ready and it does not break all the FreeBSD desktop/laptop users we have up there. Regards, vermadenhome | help
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