Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 20:42:53 +0000 From: Sad Clouds <cryintothebluesky@gmail.com> To: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Lexi Winter <ivy@freebsd.org>, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to understand base system packages Message-ID: <20251211204253.c49db1b0420615b5a761ee0f@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86qzt1aqfb.fsf@ltc.des.dev> References: <20251205122830.cb88058f193987b47a95a77c@gmail.com> <20251205134510.6fae5caf@dorfdsl.de> <20251205143119.441cc1bd8722345d074a4480@gmail.com> <16e766b9-f442-4cef-a991-c940f6b8182a@gmail.com> <20251207081139.7e2f65b97b4c089ac0add431@gmail.com> <aTkvIvFJHLf4WxUa@amaryllis.le-fay.org> <aTm6mdWQ_nyv21El@rain.cave> <20251210203319.c248921c4e6aca9ba07458ae@gmail.com> <aToOxuaXNTa5LOOP@amaryllis.le-fay.org> <20251211093606.eade25c5f5c65277120d2f6e@gmail.com> <86ecp1cnji.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <20251211112643.c8778646e28c8ce70d6a0ea2@gmail.com> <868qf9cj05.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <20251211123858.9d0291a10688d91ad7a15d52@gmail.com> <86qzt1aqfb.fsf@ltc.des.dev>
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 18:17:44 +0100 Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > Some variation on Agile, which as Poul-Henning Kamp once pointed out is > merely a codification of how F/OSS has always done things. It depends > on the size of the team and the relationship with the stakeholders. And > yes, like you, I've seen Agile done very, very badly, but I don't blame > the method (which has worked well for me) for the shortcomings of the > people involved. OK, if it works for you and your team then happy days. I spent around 10 years doing some variation on Agile (if you can call it that) and disliked everything about it. Luckily I left the company years ago and no longer have to be tormented by pointless sprint planning, retrospective and daily stand up meetings. The company spent a fortune on hiring dedicated Agile scrum masters, consultants and organising various training sessions for all of us. I've lost count of how many times I heard "Agile is great, you are just not doing it right". We had the best consultants and training that the money could buy and I don't think the Agile process helped us to deliver better software quality. In fact, it made the development slower, more painful and unpleasant, since people became obsessed with the process and the user stories and the various metrics like velocity and burndown, etc. There are specific software development practices that you apply in different situations. Some may call for a complete and formal requirements specification upfront, some my call for test driven development, etc, everything else that the Agile brings with it is just BS in my humble opinion. What is more important are the people around you, the knowledge and experience they have and the motivation they generate within a team. I've seen how micromanagement, incompetence and narcissism can destroy peoples' motivation and confidence. No amount of Agile or some other magic process is going to help here.
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