Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:25:16 +0900 From: Kazuo Horikawa <horikawa@jp.freebsd.org> To: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Cc: ache@nagual.pp.ru, ru-freebsd-doc@freebsd.ru, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, hanai@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RU-DOC] FDP Directory Reorganization Message-ID: <19990515222516E.k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 14 May 1999 20:43:02 %2B0100" <19990514204302.B43389@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19990514204302.B43389@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:43:02 +0100
> Two questions.
>
> First, what do the _JP, _BN, and _TW signify? Could they be dropped from
> the name? I realise that the locale/ directory they allow you to
> differentiate between "Chinese (China)" and "Chinese (Taiwan)". But is
> that distinction useful for the documentation?
>
> Second, we used to have a doc/ja_JP.EUC/ directory, and it was removed in
> favour of a straight doc/ja/ directory. Why? It looks like this has been
> gone over at least once before in the past. I want to be sure I'm not
> repeating past mistakes.
Attached please find a discussion about ja versus ja_JP.EUC.
# I did not make a digest of attached articles, in order to avoid
# including my misunderstandings. Sorry!
I personally think that `_JP' is not significant for Japanese
documents (which exist in /doc/ja) and only `ja' is sufficient.
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Subject: Re: Proposal to put Japanese online manuals into freefall CVS repository
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Dear John Fieber,
Is the proposal to import Japanese online manuals into CVS repository
(doc/ja_JP.EUC/man) acceptable? I would like to ask you this
question, because you are the Documentation Project Manager.
P.S. I asked Satoshi Asami and Hiroyuki Hanai to be committers of
Japanese online manuals if the proposal is accepted. They said OK.
Best Regards,
Kazuo Horikawa <horikawa@jp.freebsd.org>
>>>>> Kazuo Horikawa wrote:
> Hello. I am from the jpman project. We translate FreeBSD online
> manuals into Japanese and distribute them.
> Section 1 and 8 online manuals in Japanese, based on 2.2.2-RELEASE,
> have been distributed through the "port" ja-man-doc-2.2.2. Now, we
> want to distribute them through "freefall CVS repository", because
> centralization of FreeBSD related information benefits FreeBSD users.
> Please review attached proposal and give me suggestion. Thanks in
> advance.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:41 -0500 (EST)
From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
To: Kazuo HORIKAWA <horikawa@isrd.hitachi.co.jp>
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Subject: Re: Proposal to put Japanese online manuals into freefall CVS repository
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On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Kazuo HORIKAWA wrote:
> Is the proposal to import Japanese online manuals into CVS repository
> (doc/ja_JP.EUC/man) acceptable? I would like to ask you this
> question, because you are the Documentation Project Manager.
I would like to resolve the ja versus ja_JP.EUC question first,
but otherwise that sounds fine.
The problem coming down the pipe with the full locale
specification is cases where there may be numerous locales for
any given language. Right now there are 4 de locales, 4 en
locales, 4 fr locales, 2 it locales, and 2 nl locales that differ
only in the country specification. While genuine
language/dialect differences do exist in some cases, how likely
is it that de_CH is going to produce a different set of
translations that de_DE?
Encoding may still be an issue, but how big of an issue? In the
web/mail/news environment, documents can be self-identifying. Can
a man program detect EUC versus SJIS input and convert on-the-fly
to the active locale encoding if necessary? (Am I correct in
believing that EUC -> SJIS -> EUC is a "lossless" conversion?)
I have also been pondering the implications moving the english
docs (and web pages) into an en subdirectory. In the web
context, URLs without a language qualifier could be redirected to
the language of the mirror's choice.
-john
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Subject: Re: [man-jp-core 939] Re: Proposal to put Japanese online manuals into freefall CVS repository
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On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, John Fieber wrote:
> I would like to resolve the ja versus ja_JP.EUC question first,
> but otherwise that sounds fine.
I think that members in Japanese documetation group will agree
with John's idea.
# Sorry to be late.
> Encoding may still be an issue, but how big of an issue? In the
> web/mail/news environment, documents can be self-identifying. Can
In the mail/news environment, there exists a rule that we
must use ISO-2022-JP in encoding Japanese characters.
> a man program detect EUC versus SJIS input and convert on-the-fly
> to the active locale encoding if necessary? (Am I correct in
Anyone cannot resolve EUC and SJIS explicitly. :-(
# There is an overlapping region in the two encondings.
Well, I think a man program doesn't have to detect the character
encodings because we can make a rule that man pages should be
EUC-encoded when Japanese characters appears in them.
> believing that EUC -> SJIS -> EUC is a "lossless" conversion?)
You are right. It's a lossless conversion.
--
Hiroyuki HANAI =-= Be cool! =-= hanai@jp.FreeBSD.ORG
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Subject: Re: [man-jp-core 939] Re: Proposal to put Japanese online manuals into
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:08:15 +0900
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On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, John Fieber wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, John Fieber wrote:
> > I would like to resolve the ja versus ja_JP.EUC question first,
> > but otherwise that sounds fine.
>>>>> Hiroyuki HANAI <hanai@astec.co.jp> writes:
> I think that members in Japanese documetation group will agree
> with John's idea.
> # Sorry to be late.
I think John Fieber want to put Japanese documents under doc/ja/,
German documents under doc/de/, English documents under doc/en/, and
so on. I agree with this idea.
> > a man program detect EUC versus SJIS input and convert on-the-fly
> > to the active locale encoding if necessary? (Am I correct in
> Anyone cannot resolve EUC and SJIS explicitly. :-(
> # There is an overlapping region in the two encondings.
> Well, I think a man program doesn't have to detect the character
> encodings because we can make a rule that man pages should be
> EUC-encoded when Japanese characters appears in them.
All FreeBSD man pages in Japanese are EUC-encoded. And I want to
continue to maintain only EUC-encoded man pages.
I do not say that I do not want to support ja_JP.SJIS locale. I think
that ja_JP.SJIS locale can be supported by man program even if
Japanese man pages are EUC-encoded.
--
Kazuo Horikawa <horikawa@jp.freebsd.org>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:13:23 -0500 (EST)
From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
To: Kazuo HORIKAWA <horikawa@isrd.hitachi.co.jp>
cc: Hiroyuki HANAI <hanai@astec.co.jp>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG,
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Subject: Re: [man-jp-core 939] Re: Proposal to put Japanese online manuals into freefall CVS repository
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On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Kazuo HORIKAWA wrote:
> I do not say that I do not want to support ja_JP.SJIS locale. I think
> that ja_JP.SJIS locale can be supported by man program even if
> Japanese man pages are EUC-encoded.
That is exactly what I was wondering, thanks.
-john
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