Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:57:02 +0200 From: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> To: Walter Parker <walterp@gmail.com> Cc: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <CAFYkXjk%2B6tx3rs1E_uZJdFHrxvOrGoVyPaX7mP5yqtV3U7ed=A@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAMPTd_DnL2Wt_b0SDvUrciHTmTA7NSxDJh%2Be8LhO-RgJZ6AuKg@mail.gmail.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <CA%2B1FSijc%2B-OLNsyFNdR=jP3VzMi4zUE92i5iv9Pfg6AryDy_KQ@mail.gmail.com> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <8f3a86806377c2c92039eaf2765f5b85862de178.camel@riseup.net> <CA%2B1FSij0N-CRhMRXVUK81BWPTn0vDVcbQSF2Q11Zz%2BgJdL_Ddw@mail.gmail.com> <858859542.4652196.1681696294734@mail.yahoo.com> <92f6a9df-fd1e-9411-6093-fc8a145add17@tundraware.com> <CAMPTd_DnL2Wt_b0SDvUrciHTmTA7NSxDJh%2Be8LhO-RgJZ6AuKg@mail.gmail.com>
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--0000000000005e0ec805f98106a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 06:29 Walter Parker <walterp@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Go try to find a mainstream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image >> available. The only one I ever found >> was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small. >> > > Does AWS count as a major cloud vendor? If you look at the OS catalog for > EC2 images, they have all versions of 12 and 13. Last time I looked , the= y > have all of the Betas and RCs for 13.2, which is more than they have for > Ubuntu. Also, the number two cloud vendor submitted kernel patches to the > FreeBSD project so that it would work better on Microsoft=E2=80=99s hyper= visor. > > See > > https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/freebsd-in= tro-on-azure > > To see what Azure supports w.r.t. FreeBSD. > > Also, Colin has been doing great with Amazon to get support for the new > Amazon cloud hardware into FreeBSD. > > Most other cloud vendors are small (maybe medium) as compared to AWS and > Azure. > ehem, i am first enemy of microsoft for their "progress by enforced changes" ideology that messed up the once beautiful logical and coherent IT world (that ideology is now obvious everywhere around with the same results)... but i was forced to use WSL recently.. that is kind of text mode only linux virtual machine on windoze.. quite similar to what bhyve + console provides (we also have video support on BSD). how about providing FreeBSD VM images for them? at least folks could choose between Linux _and_ FreeBSD in this WSL stuff.. this could be also helpful in some corporate environments where WSL is considered system application but users are not allowed to install other applications and/or bare metal stuff :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > --0000000000005e0ec805f98106a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto"><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">On M= on, Apr 17, 2023, 06:29 Walter Parker <<a href=3D"mailto:walterp@gmail.c= om">walterp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote" di= r=3D"auto"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm= ail_attr" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:396px;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor= der-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-color:rg= b(0,0,0) rgb(0,0,0) rgb(0,0,0) rgb(204,204,204)"><br>Go try to find a mains= tream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image available.=C2=A0 The only one = I ever found<br>was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small.<br></bl= ockquote><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div= dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">Does AWS count as a major c= loud vendor? If you look at the OS catalog for EC2 images, they have all ve= rsions of 12 and 13. Last time I looked , they have all of the Betas and RC= s for 13.2, which is more than they have for Ubuntu. Also, the number two c= loud vendor submitted kernel patches to the FreeBSD project so that it woul= d work better on Microsoft=E2=80=99s hypervisor. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"au= to" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"= border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">See=C2=A0<= /span><div style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href=3D"https://learn.micro= soft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/freebsd-intro-on-azure" target= =3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virt= ual-machines/linux/freebsd-intro-on-azure</a></div><div dir=3D"auto" style= =3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-co= lor:rgb(0,0,0)">To see what Azure supports w.r.t. FreeBSD.</div><div dir=3D= "auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style= =3D"border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">Also,=C2=A0<span>Colin has been doing great wi= th Amazon to get support for the new Amazon cloud hardware into</span><span= >=C2=A0FreeBSD.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0= ,0)"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"border-color:rgb(0,0= ,0)">Most other cloud vendors are small (maybe medium) as compared to AWS a= nd Azure.</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><= div dir=3D"auto">ehem, i am first enemy of microsoft for their "progre= ss by enforced changes" ideology that messed up the once beautiful log= ical and coherent IT world (that ideology is now obvious everywhere around = with the same results)... but i was forced to use WSL recently.. that is ki= nd of text mode only linux virtual machine on windoze.. quite similar to wh= at bhyve + console provides (we also have video support on BSD).</div><div = dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">how about providing FreeBSD VM ima= ges for them? at least folks could choose between Linux _and_ FreeBSD in th= is WSL stuff.. this could be also helpful in some corporate environments wh= ere WSL is considered system application but users are not allowed to insta= ll other applications and/or bare metal stuff :-)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b= r></div><div dir=3D"auto">--<br>CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, <a href=3D"http://www.tome= k.cedro.info">http://www.tomek.cedro.info</a><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_= quote" dir=3D"auto"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div></div> --0000000000005e0ec805f98106a5--
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