Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2025 23:43:41 +0300 From: Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> To: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: void <void@f-m.fm>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of armv7 Message-ID: <20251119234341.64afbb78@nuclight.lan> In-Reply-To: <d9fc9479-09bc-4613-bd97-98ff0b9b334a@FreeBSD.org> References: <8aa378a1-94fb-4cb1-9bca-8e68eb8e0938@FreeBSD.org> <CAJ-Vmonf37A6Wzc01dCTJc3qdWq6f0CNvWPh%2BS0s9GD=aiwvLQ@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfpW%2BGiCbSHuaZbOnNXXqqtm%2BMv3qJmHpYRXBJKbcJOq9Q@mail.gmail.com> <aRjG_eZ8mqUyebgY@int21h> <CANCZdfqqWET_F54%2Bf8JKkdCbg7BYt-F5FOEXrPg6u7EwtUjWqg@mail.gmail.com> <aRjRFwK3Iswols0Y@int21h> <fdcf71d8-7af8-4ad5-8233-5e1f837eb83b@FreeBSD.org> <20251117205747.72e3bdca@nuclight.lan> <d9fc9479-09bc-4613-bd97-98ff0b9b334a@FreeBSD.org>
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2025 12:53:33 -0500 John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > On 11/17/25 12:57, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 12:08:29 -0500 > > John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > > > >> On 11/15/25 14:14, void wrote: > >>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 11:44:42AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > >>> > >>>> Community surveys, show of hands at conferences, mailing list traffic > >>>> and armv7 package downloads (this is second hand). > >>> > >>> Hmm. OK. But you'd never have counted my usage for example, and I > >>> use 3x rpi2b's. > >>> > >>> I've never seen a survey about this and I've never attended a > >>> conference. Much of the time if there's an issue I'd > >>> search first before posting on freebsd-arm@. > >>> I think it's reasonable to assume I'm not alone in this. > >> > >> There is an annual user survey broadcast to announce@, etc. Please > >> do fill it out the next time it is offered. The last survey was posted > >> in April of 2025, so I expect the next one to be around the same > >> timeframe in 2026. > > > > Many FreeBSD users are not subscribed and do not fill surveys. Seems that > > it should be some more aggressive stats gathering, e.g. enabled by default > > periodic scripts transmitting anonimized usage (this could be done even via > > things like modifying URL for pkg's vuln.xml fetching), questions in the > > installer, and/or other things. > > No, our users generally do not want boxes to call back "home", certainly not > by default. This should be re-checked. For example via survey :) > We do already have some stats on which package files are > downloaded. As discussion shows, this is not reliable at all. URLs in periodic have at least somewhat more reliable. -- WBR, @nuclight
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