Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:16:10 -0700 (MST) From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> To: yanefbsd@gmail.com Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r187332 - head/tools/regression/usr.bin/jot Message-ID: <20090125.201610.-419491155.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <7d6fde3d0901251822o41b128c0h5770ecbcf407e302@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090125235322.GB25031@dragon.NUXI.org> <20090125.173558.1731231004.imp@bsdimp.com> <7d6fde3d0901251822o41b128c0h5770ecbcf407e302@mail.gmail.com>
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Garrett Cooper <yanefbsd@gmail.com> writes:
: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM, M. Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
: > In message: <20090125235322.GB25031@dragon.NUXI.org>
: > "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org> writes:
: > : On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 07:12:38PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote:
: > : > I'm
: > : > glad JUNOS can build inside its own VM. Kudos. But given that the
: > : > world is much more than a tightly controlled development environment
: > : > at a well funded company, I think that we need to be more
: > : > accommodating. Especially for the embedded world.
: > :
: > : A minor correctly - JUNOS builds on STOCK FreeBSD running in a VM.
: > : JUNOS does not host its own build.
: > :
: > : How is building FreeBSD under stock FreeBSD affected by how well
: > : funded an entity is?
: >
: > Setting up and managing dozens of VMs for engineers without privs can
: > be problematic. We use an emulation environment at work and the vm
: > images are constantly getting corrupted.
: >
: > Warner
:
: But that's because it's QEMU -- QEMU is crap compared to VMware
: for x86 emulation still... QEMU/ppc is even worse, but it's the only
: ppc emulator that's freely available out there.
Well, no. that's not because the emuation is crap. It is because the
image that it boots off of doesn't get shut down cleanly and there's a
number of buffers that don't get flushed leading to corruption...
Warner
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