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Date:      Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:00:58 GMT
From:      Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net>
To:        Bill Moran <wmoran@mail.iowna.com>, Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: This is not a re-opening of the shell wars.. :)
Message-ID:  <E14Jd2A-000LlS-00@post.mail.nl.demon.net>

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> Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > 
> > A very recent mail to this esteemed list was from someone who
> > didn't like Fbsd because it apparently uses the Bourne Shell.
> 
> Sounds like a lame excuse not to learn something new. (using Bourne
> shell as excuse not to learn FreeBSD)
> 
> > It occurred to me that everyone uses the shell to a greater
> > or lesser extent and since it is such a fundamental tool maybe
> > it is worth saying in the front page blurb on FreeBSD that it supports
> > all popular shells, sh,ksh,csh,tcsh,bash..even zsh.
> 
> Wouldn't hurt.
> 
> > The first thing I did when I loaded BSD was to find "bash", I just
> > assumed it would have it. People with a Linux background will certainly
> > miss it; and maybe not have the investigative zeal to find it.
> 
> That's amazing to me. Because:
> 1. Anyone with any UN*X experience whatsoever would know that you can
> install other shells.
> 2. Anyone who wouldn't know they could install other shells wouldn't
> know they were missing anything.
> 
> Apparently there are a few people in the middle. I would suppose that
> there's very few. I'd be more inclined to assume that he was making up
> an excuse not to like FreeBSD. I've seen people do this a lot, it's just
> an excuse to cover up the fact that they didn't want to like it to begin
> with - somebody probably pushed him into trying it when he didn't want
> to, and he used it just long enough to find an excuse to report back to
> the pusher.
> If I'm right, the solution is to not push people into things they don't
> want to try. If I'm wrong, then just ignore my babbling.
> 
Oh I wasn't thinking of placating him in particular.
I was thinking more of making sure that it is clearer that FBSD has
support for a tremendous number of software tools, including everyone's
favourite shell. I am still discovering gems in the /.../bin directories :)

Cliff



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