Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:35:06 -0500 From: Chuck Burns <break19@gmail.com> To: Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> Cc: Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org>, toolchain@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th Message-ID: <CAE2yjrrUOKKfMCRuWgemJEuLOQtr1=68cMHkNRxP16QDzCnpXw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20120910220119.GE64920@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20120910211207.GC64920@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1209101718570.16426@sea.ntplx.net> <20120910220119.GE64920@lor.one-eyed-alien.net>
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 05:22:37PM -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Brooks Davis wrote: >> >> > [Please confine your replies to toolchain@freebsd.org to keep the thread >> > on the most relevant list.] >> > >> > For the past several years we've been working towards migrating from >> > GCC to Clang/LLVM as our default compiler. We intend to ship FreeBSD >> > 10.0 with Clang as the default compiler on i386 and amd64 platforms. To >> > this end, we will make WITH_CLANG_IS_CC the default on i386 and amd64 >> > platforms on November 4th. >> > >> > What does the mean to you? >> > >> > * When you build world after the default is changed /usr/bin/cc, cpp, and >> > c++ will be links to clang. >> > >> > * This means the initial phase of buildworld and "old style" kernel >> > compilation will use clang instead of gcc. This is known to work. >> > >> > * It also means that ports will build with clang by default. A major >> > of ports work, but a significant number are broken or blocked by >> > broken ports. For more information see: >> > http://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsAndClang >> > >> > What issues remain? >> > >> > * The gcc->clang transition currently requires setting CC, CXX, and CPP >> > in addition to WITH_CLANG_IS_CC. I will post a patch to toolchain@ >> > to address this shortly. >> >> I assume this will be done, tested and committed before 2012-11-04 >> (or whenever the switchover date is). > > Pending review it will be done this week. > >> > * Ports compiler selection infrastructure is still under development. >> >> This should be a prerequisite before making the switch, given >> that ports will be broken without a work-around for building >> them with gcc. > > We've defacto done that for more than a year. Some progress has > resulted, but not enough. I will be helping fix ports and I hope others > do as well. It's worth noting that a switchable compiler isn't a magic > bullet. Many ports will need to be patched to support a compiler other > than /usr/bin/cc or /usr/bin/gcc. > > -- Brooks This is actually a pretty good thing. Because -before- it's the default compiler, some ports maintainers (and even more upstreams) have the attitude of "My port works fine" until it no longer does.. bringing this change will make a few of these people realize that we are -serious- about switching to clang. For those worrying about "zomg, my system wont work?!" Remember.. This is a -current thing. If you're running bleeding edge, you have to expect to get cut every now and then. -- Chuck Burns <break19@gmail.com>
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