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Date:      Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000
From:      Glen Barber <gjb@freebsd.org>
To:        The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
Cc:        FreeBSD Release Engineering Team <re@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule
Message-ID:  <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <ZVQ2n1UDGJtIpW3y@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
References:  <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <ZVQNtKYYbf1OYu9O@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <ZVQ2n1UDGJtIpW3y@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>

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On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote:
> > > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete be=
fore
> > > > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready.
> > > >=20
> > > > It should only be another day or so before these things complete.
> > > >=20
> > > > Thank you for your understanding.
> > > >
> > >=20
> > > I always just installed my copy.
> > >=20
> >=20
> > Ok.  I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never
> > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent.  The email is intended
> > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah,
> > but"s.
> >
>=20
> Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade.
>=20
> Is that suppose to happen?
>=20

That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until*
the official release announcement has been sent.

In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very
clear on that.

A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT.

I mean, c'mon, dude.

We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more
clear than that.

So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what
you are running is *NOT* official.

For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing.

Glen


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