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Date:      Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To:        brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass)
Cc:        jobe@attrition.org (Jobe), nbm@mithrandr.moria.org (Neil Blakey-Milner), dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon), freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG (Nik Clayton)
Subject:   Re: Documentation of security features
Message-ID:  <199909191824.LAA55646@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990919112902.0479f380@localhost> from Brett Glass at "Sep 19, 1999 11:30:41 am"

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> At 10:31 AM 9/19/99 -0600, Jobe wrote:
> 
> >These files are 23k, are there really enough of them to take up 'Megs of
> >Space'?  
> 
> If it's done for every shell command, it'll take up a LOT of room.

It has been done for every shell command, that was the new builtin(1)
that was just recently commited.  And from a quick look there are
78 of them, 78*23K is not a lot of space 1.8MB.  But the bigger
picture is that when you now say ``man fg'' you should get the
new builtin(1) man page, which is far smaller (uncompressed:
-r--r--r--   1 root  wheel  7195 Sep 19 11:18 builtin.1).  This
man page refers you to sh(1), or csh(1) for full details.  This
should greatly reduce the size of the clutter (562KBytes uncompressed).

Now there is one more problem, and that is what I think is really
going on here with the person reporting non-linked files.  They are
looking in /usr/share/man/cat* at the formatted cache, now that can
grow as man(1)'s cache can't tell if the source files are hard linked
and generates an individual formatted copy for each man entry, even
if it already has it filed under another name.


> 
> >People need to start posting more meaningful things, and stop
> >inventing reasons to post to this mailing list.
> 
> Documenting key security options is meaningful, IMHO. If nothing
> else, we should add links for securelevel and similar things that
> users are not finding.

Then go make ptx(info) produce the full blown permuted index again
and be done with it.  That is the standard unix tool for finding
just about everything about anything in the manual pages.  It has
been missing for far to long to ignore any longer!!


-- 
Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25)                    rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net


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