Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:56:37 +0100 From: Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> To: Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca> Cc: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: PC Card, gone in 13 Message-ID: <80713570-6427-41FE-B432-94CC1CA96E2F@gid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB33644F41D982264A7B951642DD5D0@QB1PR01MB3364.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <CANCZdfqpLiT9KOo5QJuwLgtw__5aU-%2BZUx-U6Pp4_vC_Rcjvdw@mail.gmail.com> <20200819005721.GA80463@eureka.lemis.com> <QB1PR01MB33644F41D982264A7B951642DD5D0@QB1PR01MB3364.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi, > On 19 Aug 2020, at 05:26, Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca> wrote: >=20 > Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 1:20:56 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>> As discussed in the past, it's time to remove PC Card support. Not = CardBus >>> support, but PC Card support. this is the16-bit PCMCIA stuff from = long ago. >>> It relied on many 16-bit drivers that have since been removed from = the >>> tree. What remains is a shadow of its former self. There used to be = two >>> dozen or so drivers. This has dwindled down to 9, none of which are >>> especially relevant (and all of which have replacement hardware = available). >>=20 >> I still have an old machine with PCMCIA hardware. >>=20 >>> The drivers to be removed: an, cmx, wi, ng_bt3c >>=20 >> Notably wi. >>=20 >>> an and wi are old 802.11b drivers that are no longer relevant. >>=20 >> A lot depends on the hardware, of course. It's certainly relevant to >> my old Dell machine. >>=20 >>> There's no systems that FreeBSD supports that are 16-bit only PC >>> Card systems. >>=20 >> I suppose that depends on what you mean by "supports". >>=20 >> However: these old machines all have (by modern standards) tiny >> memory. My Dell machine has 256 MB RAM, so modern versions of = FreeBSD >> just won't run on it. > FreeBSD-current works fine on my 256Mbyte i386. I have a Soekris net4801 with 128MB RAM running CURRENT i386 at r364182 = with the GENERIC kernel. That doesn=E2=80=99t mean it=E2=80=99s a great idea, but everything = works and it=E2=80=99s possible to compile stuff if you aren=E2=80=99t = in a rush. This box does have 128GB of SSD to work with though. > Building a kernel does > require patience and I'm not foolish enough to try a "make universe" = on it. >=20 > Having said that, I have no problem with PCMCIA going away. >=20 > rick >=20 >> More to the point, the wi driver has been >> broken for years, so clearly nobody cares about it. I'm in agreement >> with removing the support. If anybody (including myself) really = wants >> to run this old stuff, they can use an earlier release of FreeBSD. >>=20 >> Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 -- Bob Bishop t: +44 (0)118 940 1243 rb@gid.co.uk m: +44 (0)783 626 4518
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