Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:50:14 +0200 From: Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu> To: Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> Cc: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>, tomek@edro.info, freebsd-hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, jgopensource@proton.me Subject: Re: A modern programming language for FreeBSD: Swift Message-ID: <20250616145014.W8KJqG2N@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20250615170036.7e3af21c@nuclight.lan> References: <0B3DA0EC-1FB6-4C4F-B6D6-BB35BF06D49C.ref@yahoo.com> <0B3DA0EC-1FB6-4C4F-B6D6-BB35BF06D49C@yahoo.com> <CAFYkXjkY%2B-bdDedNVhhKdx_6gGe1QE-0x0cxXoKnpCzMesR1yw@mail.gmail.com> <20250615170036.7e3af21c@nuclight.lan>
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Vadim Goncharov wrote in <20250615170036.7e3af21c@nuclight.lan>: |On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:07:26 +0200 |Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote: | |> On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 6:30 AM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote: |>> Tomek CEDRO <tomek_at_cedro.info> wote on |>> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 01:29:37 UTC : |>>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 11:26 PM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> \ |>>> wrote: |>>>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 3:07 PM Jordan Gordeev |>>>> <jgopensource@proton.me> wrote: |>>>>> The FreeBSD project can leap into the future by choosing a modern |>>>>> programming language to replace C, or continue living in the past, |>>>>> hoping that the rest of the world will do the same. (..) |>>>> |>>>> If you want to resurrect a Swift port from the past to the future you |>>>> are welcome: |>>>> |>>>> https://www.freshports.org/lang/swift/ |>>> |>>> Update, I just saw Greg Wallace posted about official Swift 6.2 |>>> support on FreeBSD :-) |>>> |>>> https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/245/?time=1403 |>>> |>>> Swift 6.2 now officially supports FreeBSD and WebAssembly (Wasm), |>>> enabling you to build client and server applications for browsers and |>>> other runtimes. The Wasm support, which started as a community |>>> project, allows you to compile Swift code and run it in the browser, |>>> as demonstrated by a 3D rendering app using WebGPU and JavaScriptKit. |>>> Swift's safety, ease of use, and performance make it an attractive |>>> choice throughout the software stack. |>>> |>>> So Swift is back again on FreeBSD :-) And its matter of choice not |>>> replacement :-) |>> |>> [Do not take this as suggesting involvement in replacing C.] |> |> Thanks Mark, looks like this was a troll post, but needs a response |>:-) I have zero interest in Swift myself. just got allergic to this |> kind of preaching "you should replace C with XYZ because |> whatever_reason". This is marxism ("you must destroy to build"), | |This shit has nothing to do with marxism. At best, this is infantilism... It in fact sounded like the famous Vietnam war quote on Ben Tre[1] "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it." Keep on rockin' in a free world. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_B%E1%BA%BFn_Tre |> brings only destruction to whatever still works, wrecks years of hard |> work, brings no working alternative/fallback (look at Xorg too), and |> should be dispraised right from start. If anyone wants XYZ based OS go |> ahead make one, just leave working stuff alone, people should have a |> choice :-) | |...and at worst, this is deliberate "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" damage \ |for |commercial interests (vendor-locking/monopoly), like the Red Hat did with |systemd and now doing with Wayland/Xorg. | |-- |WBR, @nuclight | --End of <20250615170036.7e3af21c@nuclight.lan> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
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