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Date:      Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:33:30 +0100 (CET)
From:      Mikael Karpberg <karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se>
To:        blaz@gold.amis.net (Blaz Zupan)
Cc:        mark@grondar.za, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile
Message-ID:  <199812141233.NAA12647@ocean.campus.luth.se>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812140927130.588-100000@gold.amis.net> from Blaz Zupan at "Dec 14, 98 09:33:00 am"

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According to Blaz Zupan:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Mark Murray wrote:
> > Easy for you to read. Nobody has the time-and-energy to MAINTAIN it!!
> 
> I was expecting a reply like this. But consider this: every time someones
> "make world" blows up, someone replies to his call for help on the
> -current mailing list. The first time something like this happens, instead
> of replying, one could add the instructions to this README file instead,
> and point the clueless newbie to it.
> 
> And if you argue that there's no time and energy to maintain it, where is
> the time and energy to maintain a "make check-etc" target in the makefile,
> which I believe would be more work than a simple README file?

There would be close to NO work with maintaining it. Thw whole thing
about it is that it would be generic, and automatic. There are very few
checks that need to be done, actually, and they should work in 99% of the
cases.

And mergemaster is not at all what I want, as far as I can tell from
reading the script and it's manpage quickly. That's a tool for merging.

I want something that gives me a quick list of things that has changed.
When I go to actually update my /etc I might use mergemaster.

Something like this would be nice:

me> make check-etc
Users missing: tty, bind
Files missing: pam.conf
Files updated:
rc   You have: 1.4     Current is: 1.7
me> make world
...

I know talk is going to get me nowhere... I have exams in a few days...
After that, I'll try and look into fixing such a make target. Would a
patch be accepted into the tree?

  /Mikael


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