Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:18:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Adam Maloney <adamm@sihope.com> To: RN Hosting <hosting@reallynicehosting.com> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10304282130180.5414-100000@unix1.sihope.com> In-Reply-To: <002701c30c7a$8cccc7c0$6401a8c0@bigblackhole>
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> Yikes, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the prices for Marvin. Call us, or e-mail me privately, and we can work on the price if it's such an issue. The pricing is very much in-line with the other commercial products available, and it is cheaper than home-brewing such a complete solution yourself. > What makes it so much better than SpamAssassin that it's worth that > price? SA is one tool - if you look at our stats, it doesn't even account for half of the spam that gets stopped. We've added 3 new modules in less than a year, as the existing ones become less effective. What if SA stops being maintained? Who guarantees that it will still be effective in 6 months? What if you have customers that don't want content-based filtering? Who are you to decide at what score mail is blocked? What about the customer that wants the Viagra e-mails - how does he exclude just the Viagra SA rules from his score? > Personally, I don't see how a host could afford that and why they would > want to pay a monthly fee with the availability of databases like > spamcop, GPL programs like SpamAssassin, Razor, MailScanner, Bogofilter > etc. There are many who have justified the cost, after trying the tools in the public domain. So implement the DNS-based blacklists, SA, and Razor across the board for your mailboxes, and see what kind of response you get from your customers. You'd be surprised how many people don't agree with how these tools decide to block mail. MAPS, SA and Razor are great examples. Take it even further - tell your customers to buy the OE plugins for these tools, or run their own mailservers. The price per domain goes up quite a bit. What about NT-based shops, where most of the popular unix-centric anti-spam tools aren't available to them? There are enough Marvin users around for me to say that the cost certainly justifies the value. > That costs more than all of my other overhead combined, per domain that > I host. Are you going to offer per-mailbox and per-domain configuration? How are your users going to retrieve blocked messages, and how long will you keep them? How much will you spend on a RAID to house spam for 60 days for all of your customers? Double check your numbers before you calculate overhead. Another ISP here in town implemented SA for it's entire customer base, and they eventually moved to Postini because their mail cluster couldn't handle the load. Yet another ISP put RBL in place across the board, and had hundreds of calls from customers complaining about legitimate e-mail being blocked because the sender's ISP was listed, and MAPS wouldn't remove them from the list. Explaining Spamcop, ORBS, or MAPS' view of collateral damage is not a fun conversation with a customer that is losing business because of your anti-spam tools. Food for thought. Seriously, if you don't think the price is justified, I'd like to hear more. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: Adam Maloney <adamm@sihope.com> > Subject: RE: Best Way Blocking Spams > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10304261054090.28662-100000@unix1.sihope.com> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > This is somewhat of a shameless plug, but since it's on topic I think > it's appropriate. > > We are a Minneapolis based ISP. We didn't like any of the current > solutions available, so we developed our own. It's similar to Postini, > but we've put a lot of thought into it which makes it very ISP-centric, > so I like it better. And it runs on FreeBSD. > > We have a specific pricing structure for service providers who want to > provide it to their customers. > > It is a commercial solution, but if anyone is looking for another "hands > off" approach like Troy mentioned, check http://marvin.sihope.com. > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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