Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:25:07 +1000 From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> To: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry Message-ID: <08de01c0056c$fb336470$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> References: <001901c004f8$3628fbf0$0ded7ad1@beefstew> <088701c00514$f4724c30$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> <000401c00540$df6025c0$4ee07ad1@beefstew>
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I've never looked at that particular one ..... generally O'Reilly books are OK although still lacking in the "step by step" approach .... however my Scottish ancestry tells me its not in good to keep spending the $100 a time for them :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> To: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:09 AM Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > Meantime I'll Buy the Oreilly Apache book. I have a tendency to buy > every book in the universe on a particular subject/project I get into. > I'll watch your site for the updates. Try to get the "big picture". > Thanks > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> > To: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>; <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 6:55 AM > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > The textbook answer to that is "SCO is a commercial thing, hence > there's a > > budget for documentation, whereas FreeBSD is open source so users are > > expected to fend for themselves". All that aside, SCO documentation is > among > > the best on the planet .... virtually everything is explained well & > the > > GUI's sure make things a lot easier than the poking around in the > dark > > required by CLI. > > > > From my experience FreeBSD webservers are certainly reliable once > you've got > > the things running, its the "getting it running" thats another story. > If you > > can wait a week I'll hopefully have some "step by step" instructions > online. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> > > To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> > > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 5:29 PM > > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > How the hell am I gonna learn how to set up a web server? just > learning > > > how to install FreeBSD was relatively difficult. But searching the > web > > > for basic info on how to set up a web server turned up nothing. I'm > > > going to call walnut creek and see if there's reasonably priced > support > > > and ask all the stupid questions I need to, too. > > > > > > I feel stupid. If I do one small procedural thing/day towards > > > implementing the server that will keep the questions tightly > focused - > > > I'll try that. it will probably take a long time. I eyed a SCO > package > > > at the bookstore w/Netscape server - a neat bundle, but I want FBSD > and > > > Apache. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> > > > To: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> > > > Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > > > > So this it's a major undertaking explaining this? I would imagine > so. > > > > But it's really where FreeBSD shines as i understand it. It would > be > > > > glorious, nifty, cool to have a step-by-step explanation of the > > > > procedure. When you have the time and feel like demystifying the > web > > > > server setup. I'll go at it like a big dog. > > > > > > > > I'd do a fresh FreeBSD install w/out X - that's for sure. I have > never > > > > downloaded source and compiled to get a port/app. I've always > tried to > > > > get the binaries. There's alot of stuff that would have to be > covered. > > > > > > > > And now for questions that show my partial ( total ? ) ignorance: > > > > > > > > What is the purpose of Apache? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> > > > > To: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> > > > > Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:13 AM > > > > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhhhhhhhh yes ..... the dreaded getty & apache strike again > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Both those really need a better (as in "more explicit") > explanation > > > > than > > > > > whats > > > > > presently available, & are high on the list of stuff for the > next > > > > version of > > > > > Pedantic FreeBSD. The "man ppp" isn't anywhere near as bad as > the > > > > apache > > > > > stuff generally though, thanks to Brian Somers ... he has been > > > > extremely > > > > > helpful whenever I've > > > > > had problems comprehending any user-ppp issues. Basically what > I've > > > > been > > > > > doing > > > > > for the dialin setup is creating the ppplogin file, then setting > > > > ppplogin as > > > > > the login > > > > > shell for dialin users, basically as the "Method 1" in man ppp > > > > explains. I > > > > > HATE that poxridden "vi" monstrosity though, so to make life > easier > > > > when I > > > > > run "vipw" to edit > > > > > the master password file, I first set the default editor to "ee" > by > > > > using > > > > > "setenv > > > > > EDITOR ee". That doesn't "stick", so it needs to be re-set every > > > time > > > > you > > > > > use > > > > > "vipw". > > > > > > > > > > Avoid the /sysinstall version of mgetty at all costs ... its > TOTALLY > > > > broken > > > > > !!! > > > > > As far as I can tell the only possible way to getmgetty working > is > > > by > > > > > compiling from source, and thats another challenge given that > the > > > info > > > > > provided isn't as helpful as it could be ..... my advice for > what > > > its > > > > worth > > > > > is to stick with the man ppp / getty / method . > > > > > > > > > > Now for apache ...... it probably wins the prize for the most > poorly > > > > > documented application ever. There is virtually no attempt at > > > > explanation > > > > > anywhere for basic apache setup .... the apache homepage > isutterly > > > > useless, > > > > > likewise the various man ages. Thankfully I've always got it > > > running > > > > in > > > > > basic form (ie without php etc) straight from sysinstall. The > main > > > > problem > > > > > I've struck is with inability to find the pages I've put in the > > > proper > > > > > location (at least "proper" according to pppd.conf). I now know > that > > > > was > > > > > because of some symbolic links which I inadvertently broke > whilst > > > > copying > > > > > pages into the default location. I haven't messed around with > this > > > > stuff for > > > > > a while, but I recall reading about many others having similar > > > > problems as I > > > > > did with "page not found" type errors, and invariably the cause > was > > > > the > > > > > broken links. As I recall, the guts of the issue is that the > pages > > > > aren't > > > > > where they are supposed to be according to pppd.conf ..... they > are > > > > > somewhere weird with (hopefully) a link between where pppd.conf > > > thinks > > > > they > > > > > are & where they REALLY are !!! If you don't know exactly what > you > > > are > > > > on > > > > > about when you start replacing the dummy page with your own > content > > > > you > > > > > could easily end up with the same problem, so be VERY careful > here > > > :) > > > > Other > > > > > than that its fairly straightforward until you get into linking > > > apache > > > > with > > > > > a database ... the apparent favourite method (PHP) is another > > > > contender for > > > > > the worst documentation on the planet .... I'm getting > infinitely > > > > better > > > > > results with solutions like CGI / C++ / Java ... at least > > > there's > > > > a > > > > > bunch of decent docs for those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> > > > > > To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:39 AM > > > > > Subject: classic newbie inquiry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could anyone direct me to very basic how-to's on stting up > FreeBSD > > > > to > > > > > > answer the phone and being an internet server. I have never > done > > > > this I > > > > > > admit - and want to learn how. Maybe just put a few html pages > on > > > it > > > > to > > > > > > start. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do i start?, what links would explain on basic level? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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